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Rotherham’s ‘political commissars’ reinforce the need for a free press

25 November 2012

11:40 AM

25 November 2012

11:40 AM

‘Clearly she has morphed somewhere in her career from social worker to political commissar.’

These are the words of Minette Marrin, writing of the social worker at the centre of the fostering scandal at Rotherham Council in the Sunday Times. Marrin’s article unpicks Rotherham Council’s position, turns it over and concludes that:

‘[The] thoughtless, obstinate political correctness of the Joyce Thacker (Rotherham’s senior social worker) variety is rampant throughout social services. Many of them are highly politicised in plain party-political terms as well. It’s a national disgrace and a national disaster. In adoption, for instance, it is such misguided attitudes that make it so very difficult for a child in need to find adoptive parents.’

Marrin then goes into the details of Britain’s adoption crisis; yet she might have easily developed the political point. It is shocking (and deeply worrying) that an allegedly impartial government agency can make such politically motivated decisions. It is equally shocking, as James wrote yesterday, that these decisions appear to have been supported on the basis of sound legal advice. I imagine that I’m not the only private citizen who wants to read that advice to see which laws enable executive bodies in a free society to mimic totalitarians by subverting rights to freedom of expression, association and belief, which are enshrined in various sacred documents from the Bill of Rights to the European Convention on Human Rights. (Incidentally, I hope that UKIP bite the bullet and take this grotesque injustice to the Strasbourg Court.)

It is tempting to reject journalists’ fevered claims that freedom is under attack in Britain and, therefore, that the press must not be subjected to statutory regulation. But the Rotherham case suggests that these fears are not misplaced because the story reveals much besides its protagonists’ prejudices: it shows how weak the law-abiding individual has become when he doesn’t hold the majority view.

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Matthew d’Ancona has written a column echoing John Milton’s Areopagitica in that he argues that free speech is the basis of a free society, and therefore the freedom of the press is an ‘inviolable’ principle. The World Press Freedom Committee has made a similar claim in a letter to William Hague and other parliamentarians.

The logical corollary of these positions is that individuals (not just journalists) who exercise their general right of free expression thanks to parliament and the courts are not, by definition, free. Under such circumstances, an inalienable right has become little more than a licensed privilege in the hands of self-interested legislators and/or judges. If you think that is an exaggeration, then examine the comments of former Lib Dem MP and Hacked Off campaigner Dr Evan Harris during this exchange with Toby Young on Twitter. Harris implies, for instance, that the specific principles which restrict reporting criminal court cases under the law of Contempt might be further extended (presumably into the civil sphere beyond areas like libel, which already affect newspapers) to make newspapers ‘comply’ with the law. (Law, of course, being made by parliament – well, the executive really – and enforced and made by the courts).

Twitter is, obviously, not the ideal place to make or interpret complex arguments, and perhaps I’m doing Dr Harris an injustice; but it strikes me that his proposals are, unintentionally I’m sure, the thin end of the wedge for public interest publication. It’s bad enough that civil laws appear to allow Rotherham Council’s social workers to behave as they have done; but how much worse would it be if restrictions were placed on reporting the story? And, of course, restrictions carry penalties if they are infringed; penalties that are likely to become harsher post-Leveson. It’s easy to see how the press might become considerably less tenacious if subjected to statutory legislation, even if the intention of that legislation was pure.

The context to the Leveson Report is difficult for the defenders of a free press: abuse was rife; disgust with the press is both real and justified. Victims of abuse will rightly take centre stage next week. A little humility from the press, as Matthew d’Ancona says, would not be a bad thing. Yet the victims have had recourse to the justice they deserve; although, and this cannot be shouted enough, they would have received swifter and more satisfactory retribution had the police investigated alleged crimes more readily. It would also have helped if access to the courts in civil cases was cheaper and easier. But gross failures in the justice system should not give a free people cause to bind its hands.

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  • Arden Forester

    Joyce Thacker is now exposed as a hypocrite because she is a member of a political organisation too! Her zealotry is rather like the anti-fox hunting brigade. The cause is always more important than the issue.

  • Malfleur

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    Well-wisher
    November 26th, 2012 – 12:15

    This is why Cameron has been keeping quiet about Rotherham:-

    http://ukinindia.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=PressR&id=22609209

    He was promoting Common Purpose in India and is undoubtedly a graduate. That explains his many nanny-like pronouncements.

    IRISHBOY
    November 26th, 2012 – 12:51

    Well Wisher 12.15
    I just tried to post that link on The Spectator, which I headlined
    with: COMMON PURPOSE ALERT / CAMERON, and surprise surprise, it was
    pulled immediately.

    Anyone else care to have a go?

    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-19th26th-november/

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  • FrenchNewsonlin

    Socialist Common Purpose controllers now in overdrive: “You have three main problems. You are white, middle-class and a heterosexual couple” … the reported response of a social worker to a married couple looking to adopt. (Read it all in the DM http://bit.ly/U6OoH2)

  • Sir Derek Trotter OBE

    The NUJ are establishment patsies.

  • Sir Derek Trotter OBE

    The NUJ are the enemy of a free press

  • sunnydayrider

    It’s all a matter of morality. Especially for a woman, Thacker, to put political motives before the best interests of children in her care. Still, that’s the Labour party for you.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Look at the cruel, soulless, dead-eyed face of that Thacker woman:

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64354000/jpg/_64354203_joyce.jpg

    I can’t figure out whether she most resembles Lucky Luciano or Josef Goebbels.

  • mcclane

    Common Purpose… an organisation which brings together Joyce Thacker and Cressida Dick, murderer of an innocent Brazilian electrician… the mediocrity, the incompetence, appalls me. This is what passes for leadership in the UK today.

  • True Bred Pomponian

    Ineterstingly enough, it is not just social services in local government, it is also electoral services, as I found out as a count agent in East Hants for the PCC elections. Returning Officers hate UKIP too.

  • StevenDobbs

    Rotherham’s Nazis need to go to prison for their illegal abduction of children.

  • Sarah

    Rotherham reinforce the need for the disestablishment of the BBC. they’re the ones who have created this political ossification.

    The free press has done sod all about it.

  • John Mackie

    There are plenty of laws on the books to regulate the press. Pity the CORRUPT police force were (and probably remain) on the take.

    The incestuous nexus of politicians (ugly celebs), A-Z list celebs, police and the media is a festering carbuncle.

    Clean up the police force and the media will continue to be able to operate properly, the politicians will be held to account and celebs can both profit from and die by the media sword when caught getting crack-whore blowjobs.

    Simples.

  • Noa

    An ‘on the ground view’ by one of the Rotherham By election candidates.

    If you lived there who would you vote for?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URHqbE6OSlg

  • Noa

    “…But gross failures in the justice system should not give a free people cause to bind its hands.”

    If the Spectator is so keen to argue the cause of freedom, then let it do so in the cases of Sergeant Nightingale, Tommy Robinson the sexually abused children of England by racist gangs of Pakistanis and the very people of Britain, lied to, misled and patronised by its complacent and corrupt political elite of all hues.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Agreed,

      What the Spec and the rest of the MSM mean by ‘free’ is also free of any responsibility ir respect for the population.

      They mean free to obscure, lie and dissemble.

  • HooksLaw

    Who is saying there should not be a free press?
    Why are you confusing regulation with freedom. Individuals have the right to be free from ignorant and misleading and inaccurate reporting.
    Should this be done by the press itself? If so well let us have politicians regulate their own expenses!
    But even if as a last resort were the press to be left to regulate itself, what you singularly and regularly fail to suggest is what teeth this should have. What punishment it might lay out.

    You say civil laws have allowed Rotherham workers to behave as they have.
    Is that really so? Are workers allowed to invent totally spurious reasons for their actions?
    I suggest to you that they do not, and that your very phrasing is an excellent example of the ignorance of the press and the way it twists to suit its self interest.

    Meantime Mr Blackburn you might ponder the very purpose (not common purpose, of course) of any of your observations given the warped nature of the responses they elicit.

  • http://300wordtheses.blogspot.co.uk/ Gerry Dorrian

    I too would like to see the legal advice that the social services acted on in removing children from loving foster-parents whose only crime was to exercise freedom of conscience in a way social-workers disagree with. I reckon that advice will include the fact that threatening to remove children until political associations are changed has been trialled with members of the English Defence League and a precedent has therefore been set, because there were no senior politicians clamouring for enquiries as far as we were concerned. It’s like a working-out of Pastor Niemoller’s poem, “first they came”.

    • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

      Indeed, and presumably the argument was that parents who support a perceived anti-immigration party cannot care for immigrant children on the grounds that they believe the children shouldn’t be here in the first place. In which case surely they should remove all children who belong to parties who support abortion.

  • Daniel Maris

    Free speech, a free press and civic rights go hand in hand.

  • http://twitter.com/MikeARPowell Mike A R Powell

    Absolutely spot on!

  • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

    After Leveson, the story will be covered thus.

    Correction and Clarification
    In our story headlined ‘Social Services Undermine Democracy’ we quoted Joyce Thacker as saying. ‘this was a decision purely taken in the interest of child protection.’ when in fact she said ‘this is a decision purely taken in the interest of child protection.’ We accept that our reporting was incorrect and apologise for any distress this error caused.

    Leaving the reader to wonder what the story was, as it had been pulled from the original publication at the behest of the three council lawyers that are on considered as emergency staff (along with frontline carers, electricians, plumbers etc) and therefore forbidden from taking strike action.

  • Wilhelm

    The ” Free” press has never written any articles about Nethergate, too busy reporting inane gossip and tittle tattle, what Milliband said to Ed Balls about Blair in the corridor, kind of thing, Nelson gets off on it. The rest of us, it’s mind numbingly tiresome.

    • TomTom

      There is no FREE press. MSM is simply a conduit for Government and Corporate Advertising with filler from paid hacks whose copy is vetted by the NUJ………the only FREE press is the Evening Standard given away to passers-by at Tube stations in the sense that it is paid for by Advertising exclusively……..in Bradford the Telegraph & argus breaks no story, never criticises the Council, rarely reports on crime involving ethnics – seemingly the Rotherham Advertiser is the same……..Garnett Dickinson Group owns the Rotherham Rag and Gannett of the US owns the T&A which it typesets in India

  • Wilhelm

    ” This is why we need a free press.”

    When Pakistani muslim gangs were raping white girls in Rochdale, where was the free press ? The silence is deafening. Only Nick Griffin spoke about it.

  • David B

    This overtly political decisions goes way beyond just the freedom of the press. The basis of this decision is a civil servant who does not agree with someone’s political views taking revenge – releasing the forces of hell comes to mind.

    With regard to the press freedom, if there is statutory regulation then will the regulator be able to influence editorial decisions? The answer, based on this is that they will find a way and that is unacceptable

    What is really worrying is that you state there was legal opinion to support her position. If this is so what has gone wrong with the laws and legal system that such an optioning could even be considered. If it is correct how far can it be extended – could someone be refused medical attention because they support the Lansley reforms or a pensioner refused there state pension because they supported the rise in the pension age.

    Then there is the position of the civil service and its independence. Our democracy requires it to function but if we have civil servants unwill to act independently then where do we end up?

  • majorfrustration

    Did Rotherham SS take legal advice as regards sex grooming of young white girls?

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    You can never do Harris an injustice, his views are so obnoxious that every criticism he gets is well deserved.

  • David Lindsay

    This famously free press might care to investigate that there is obviously far more to this story, and not only the fact that many a council, perhaps all of them these days, is being run by Officers instead of by Councillors, although some coverage of that would also not go amiss.

    UKIP could not have bought publicity like this, right where and when it was fighting a parliamentary by-election. Surely no one is quite that hopeless a coincidence theorist? UKIP is making a play for the white vote while having, it feels, conceded the Asian vote to Respect following the deeply flawed Labour selection process.

    Clearly Respect-supporting, but conveniently unattributable, leaflets are accusing Labour of returning to the politics of the National Front in the 1970s. A bit strong, but I do not know whom Labour functionaries expect to be fooled by the maiden aunt act. Wasting police time, more like it.

    • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

      ” This famously free press might care to investigate the fact that there is obviously far more to this story, and not only the fact that many a council, perhaps all of them these days, is being run by Officers instead of by Councillors, although some coverage of that would also not go amiss.

      UKIP could not have bought publicity like this, right where and when it was fighting a parliamentary by-election. Surely no one is quite that hopeless a coincidence theorist? UKIP is making a play for the white vote while having, it feels, conceded the Asian vote to Respect following the deeply flawed Labour selection process.

      Clearly Respect-supporting, but conveniently unattributable, leaflets are accusing Labour of returning to the politics of the National Front in the 1970s. A bit strong, but I do not know whom Labour functionaries expect to be fooled by the maiden aunt act. Wasting police time, more like it. ”
      David Lindsay

      ” UKIP is making a play for the white vote while having, it feels, conceded the Asian vote to Respect following the deeply flawed Labour selection process. ”
      Why do you apparently believe that Hindus and Sikhs would want to support the establishment of an Islamic state in Britain where they would very possibly be gassed to death in concentration camps ?

    • RealTory

      Trying to spin this won’t work. This is pure labour, red in tooth and claw, suppressing right-thinking people. True fascists who must be stopped.

    • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

      Coincidence does not make it a conspiracy.

      Unless you are suggesting that a UKIP supporter made the decision to remove the children?

      As for UKIP playing for the ‘white vote’, again you make an insidious assumption.

  • In2minds

    “It is equally shocking, as James wrote yesterday, that these decisions appear to have been supported on the basis of sound legal advice.” – This is the point to concentrate on this is the root of the problem.

    • ButcombeMan

      “Appear”?

      That is the excuse given. I do not believe a word of it until I see the evidence.

  • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

    A possible way out of this mess for Rotherham Council is to declare Rotherham an Islamic Republic ? Perhaps then European Union UK Administrative Region Commissioner David Cameron [ erroneously referred to as the British Prime minister ] could then establish a ” Friends of Rotherham ” organization like the so called ” Friends of Syria ” Arab supremacist Islamist toady organization and get the Pakistani ISI or the Muslim Brotherhood Government in Egypt to supply Rotherham Council with shoulder launch SAMs, Avomat Kalashnikova 47s and RPG 7s to defend the Dar al Islam of Rotherham ?

    • TomTom

      Simply rename itself Savile Row

  • Colonel Mustard

    You know, there is no reason why the Spectator shouldn’t lead an exposé of this and initiate a full investigation of the unelected public sector Common Purpose project to “lead beyond authority” and socially engineer a new society. I didn’t vote for them or that. Did you?

    • telemachus

      Common Purpose in fact serve a valuable function and as I explained to you on another thread for example had an excellent seminar on multiculturalism in Birminghan May last
      Before condemming you should go to a seminar and then objectively judge

      • Noa

        Ahhh- thought you were a common purpose apparatchik, comrade!
        Which Social Services organisation do you cover for?

      • David B

        You would not say that if there was a free mason involved and that is your problem. You cannot bring yourself to condem errors by people who share your political views.

      • RealTory

        So now the truth is becoming clear. You are part of an insidious left-wing conspiracy to subvert truth and justice and impose socialism on right-thinking people. The Daily Mail exposure is only the beginning and you and your fellow travellers are marked men and wimmin. Rotherham is the the watershed that will see your downfall. No more lies, spin and fascist suppression from you national socialists.

        • Heartless etc.,

          It has been obvious with every phrase the pathetic brain-washed CP spawn writes.

      • Colonel Mustard

        So, you are an affiliate and supporter of Common Purpose.

        Why am I not surprised. But what should make you think I have not been to a Common Purpose seminar? The fact that I haven’t been brainwashed?

        • telemachus

          No
          I take my information from diverse sources
          I have read both Mein Kamph and Das Capital
          I have studied Trotsky’s Diary in exile and am currently reading The Whites of Their Eyes
          But it doesnot mean I adhere to any philosophy
          CP like any organisation is a repository of thought to digest and process
          We would be poorer people if we rejected a philosophy without thinking

          • Noa

            Mein Kamph? Really? Who wrote that the, Adolh Hitler?

            Unfortunately you appear to be a poorer person for reading without comprehension.

            • Julian F

              And Carl Marx presumably wrote Das Capital

              • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

                And who wrote Trotsky’s diary?

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  I think that was Frotsky (the Snowman)

              • Noa

                Korrect!

            • telemachus

              I comprehend and refute bearing in mind my dyslexia

              • Noa

                Dyslexia? Is that your excuse? So often used as just another excuse used by the semi-literate for consistent under-achievement. Another Labour chimera.

                • Noa

                  “…That is why I am so concerned to counter the ‘Dyslexia’ lobby. As long as this absurdity is widely believed, the real failing will not be dealt
                  with, and huge numbers of children will emerge from years of school
                  with poor, inadequate or non-existent reading skills. The resources and
                  manpower now devoted to ‘dyslexia’ would be much better spent on
                  bringing proper reading teaching back to every primary classroom in the
                  country.”

                  http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2007/06/does_dyslexia_e.html

                • telemachus

                  Like all the revanchists
                  No time for the disabled

                • Noa

                  A faux disability for a real ignoramus.

              • StevenDobbs

                Ja, Sturmführer telemachus.

              • Julian F

                Excuse my calling you an ignoramus. It’s just my Tourette Syndrome letting me down again.

          • TomTom

            So, did you rad Mein Kampf in German and both volumes ? Did you read his comments on Westminster and Charles Barry’s architecture ?

            • TomTom

              He also had quite a grasp on the German Empire c 1250 which gives foundation to his geopolitical views…….you might also like to refer to his concerns that the Hapsburgs were tending too far towards Hungary and the Czechs at the expense of German-Austrians…….in fact the book is quite illuminating and should be more widely read……………

          • Colonel Mustard

            No, actually, Common Purpose is not just a repository of thought but an active catalyst of change. Middleton herself refers to a “network” and of course “leading beyond authority”. But to “lead beyond authority” implies a purpose, an objective and a mandate. Who confers that within a democracy? In the case of public servants I would argue they are there simply to execute their duties, efficiently and impartially within a framework of defined authority and procedures according to the law and the policies of an elected government; to serve the public rather than modify its thinking, influence its development or control its values, let alone determine them.

            But Common Purpose speaks to a shift seen in both the Civil Service and local government in recent years – which is to become responsible for controlling the public rather than serving it. And the “network” is a rather sinister apparatus and hegemony of unelected and unaccountable quangos, fake charities and lobbying groups all of whom appear to have a co-ordinated script.

            There is something very odd about a “charity” selling training to the civil service and the funding and cross-pollination undoubtedly involved is far from healthy, especially in an age of “austerity” where people are losing their jobs.

            There is also something rather astounding about an organisation supposedly so skilled in communication and leadership expertise that manages to get itself mired in conspiracy theories, attracts so much suspicion, resists simple FoI requests and seeks to blacklist the originators of those requests.

            • FrenchNewsonlin

              ….and not forgetting that a very senior Common Purpose officer has, Iago-like “poured poison into the ear” of Lord Justice Leveson ever since the inquiry — to which said officer is an advisor — began.

            • telemachus

              Conspiracy theories add to mystique
              CP speaks to the highly intelligent who by definition can evaluate and accept or discard the ideas
              I can tell you that as a motivating force they are beneficial to the administration of our great country.
              Accept them for what they are.

              • Colonel Mustard

                That is rubbish even for you. And as usual dodges the issue by parroting yet another slogan.

              • StevenDobbs

                Ah, the “we are smarter than the rest of you, so shut up and let big brother tell you what is good for you” argument.

                Thanks Herr Sturmfuhrer telemchus, alles gut. Let’s all just shuffle off to the common purpose work camp known as Rotterham and get about our business of arbeit macht frei. Surely it will all turn out good in the end.

          • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

            You make them sound like the Freemasons.

          • FrankS

            Fascinating reading list!

          • StevenDobbs

            telemachus, you meant to say that you get your thinking from both Mein Kamph and Das Capital, with which you wholeheartedly agree… you are just another fascist scumbag.

          • mcclane

            It’s Mein Kampf. And Das Kapital. You clearly didn’t beyond the front cover of either.

            • telemachus

              I did my son
              The first was turgid, the second illuminating

          • Malfleur

            Mein Kamph?!!

            You left-liberal Stalinists are seriously ignorant.

      • StevenDobbs

        you sound like every other cult member in the history of nasty little cults, telemachus.

    • Noa

      Following on from the long promised Nethergate expose I presume.

    • Heartless etc.,

      Thank you Sir! Would that the Speccy led such a Crusade! Many of us, in various ways, have been urging this for years, either in particular or, in more general terms, for the utter drivel and mindless claptrap that CP and other vile groupings spawn and disseminate. COME ON SPECCY! – you know you should!

      • Daniel Maris

        Sadly, the Spectator seem to be infected with a lot of Common Purpose thinking: the benefits of mass immigration and multi-culturalism among them; the need to break down traditional boundaries between different types of authority etc and anti-populism.

  • bernxx

    Hello! Have been saying this for years. This is not a surprise.

  • http://twitter.com/JunkkMale Peter Martin

    ‘Political commissars’ reinforce need for free press http://specc.ie/SmapBI Make that a free MEDIA, please.

    Over-politicised public broadcasters are not unique either in their FoI-exclusive ways of going beyond objective professional integrity when the common good inspires them.

  • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

    The political elites are working towards making Britain an Islamist Arab racial supremacist Saudi puppet state and the political elites’ position is that anybody who gets in the way of that should be hunted down and killed possibly by being put in a concentration camp and being gassed with Zyklon B. That said, the BBC agrees with that and thinks it’s a good idea and that it will be a useful first stage towards establishing a situation in Britain where the entire Anglo-Saxon and Celtic Christian population of the UK is exterminated in Concentration Camps with Zyklon B in order to free up Lebensraum in Britain for Muslim immigration and how could the BBC be wrong about anything, after all they employed Sir James Wilson Vincent “Jimmy” Savile, OBE, KCSG 31 October 1926 – 29 October 2011 who no doubt like the singer Michael Jackson was a Muslim ?

    • Trofim

      Needs an irony emoticon.

      • ScaryBiscuits

        Possibly, but a couple of years ago you would have said the same thing about Common Purpose.

  • toco10

    Rotherham Labour Council’s unseemly and sinister actions are disgraceful.Red Ed’s ‘One Nation’ claim becomes increasingly worrying if these actions so reminiscent of East European politics and State control are what large elements of the Labour Party and its trades union masters are threatening.No apparent word from Rotherham’s disgraced ex MP,Denis MacShane on the Soviet style Labour Council thus far.

    • David Lindsay

      The Councillors didn’t do this. The Officers did. And don’t give me that they are Labour, really; in my time, I have been politically around a Labour council while also in its employ, and … well, work it out.

      Councils being run by Officers instead of by Councillors is a baleful state of affairs which goes back to the 1980s, but about which nothing was done while, for example, Hilary Armstrong was Local Government Minister and telling Councillor-laden meetings, which I attended, how much she believed in the municipal process.

      If anyone is ever going to changes this, then it is going to be the classic Labour figures who are now back in charge of that party. As I say, if anyone is ever going to do it.

      • Noa

        Paid and expenses renumerated Councillors act in collusion with their ludicrously overpaid Officers to muddle the lines of responsibility. It’s truly a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth.

        And every ‘mistake’ spawns a new self replicating ‘solution’ to further esconce and embed these malignly motivated incompetents, both elected and appointed, ever more firmly on the taxpayer’s teat.
        Root and branch reform is needed. One can’t see it coming from either the present, ineffectual, coalition government or a future self serving, Labour one. however a Conservative & UKIP coalition may be able to effect meaningful reform.

      • RealTory

        And another Common Purpose apologist and spin merchant stands exposed. Defending the indefensible. This is how national socialism began but now we know who you are.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Judging by Mr Lindsay’s previous comments here I doubt very much that he has much in common with Common Purpose. He strikes me as a traditional Labour advocate of some integrity, not seen for many a long year. And I say that having been in disagreement with him on several occasions.

          • RealTory

            Common Purpose, trots, labour, blairites, brownites, marxists, whatever; they are all the same to me. These are the people who work in the dark, subverting our laws and heritage to create their socialist utopia. Left-wing scum.

            • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

              And you are precisely the reason the Tories can not get elected.

              • RealTory

                Apart from the 3 times I voted for the great Margaret Thatcher, John Major and of course Cameron, you are absolutely deluded. The UK is naturally tory and so was Blair. In fact, the country has voted tory since 1979 in one way or another except where labour gerrymandered. Brown got in through deceit and was not elected. We will regain the right, and the left and Common Purpose will be ground underfoot. Rotherham will be the turning point and the left and CP have been exposed for the filthy fascists they are.

                • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

                  All your intemperant language does, apart from making you look silly – is provide, what might be called the left wing media – Gauradin, Independent, BBC, – to distract from the central issue (the care of the children, the further disruption in their lives for no real reason by social services) by painting Joyce Thacker as the victim of a witch hunt by the usual right wing crazies.

                  And if your intent is to expose Common Purpose, I suggest you drop the ranting and realise that the Common Purpose practice and agenda is dangerous not only to what might be called the right, but across the political spectrum.

      • TomTom

        Abolish local government it really isn’t anything more than an arm of Whitehall anyway

        • HooksLaw

          That means abolishing local elections, right? Local accountability.

          • TomTom

            Accountability ? Councillors only have discretion over 25% spending the rest is MANDATED by Whitehall……local elections have pitiful turnouts and affect nothing on Rule of Thirds – every fourth year we get no election

      • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

        Labour, classical or otherwise, are not going to change a thing. The problem lies with the unions, and their relationship with the council officers.

        Though I agree that part of the problem goes back to the privatization process begun in the 1980’s, which succeeded in adding another layer of bureaucracy, and further removed council services from the accountability of the electorate.

        And the system of central grants is simply the icing on the cake.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Classic? The Balls classic. Love it!

  • Vulture

    It looks as though Common Purpose and their secretive, sensitive ways are moving from the margins of conspiracy theorists on the net to the centre of debate and exposure.

    It is extraordinary that it has taken so long for the slimy stones to be overturned and the wriggling worms like CP graduate Joyce Thacker, and the parachuted in Rotherham Labour/CP candidate Sarah Champion exposed to daylight.

    For this is, in fact, a conspiracy by cultural Marxists to complete their long march through the institutions and take over the commanding heights of society: broadcasting, academia, local government, etc.

    The hatchet-faced Rosa Klebb lookalike Thacker resembles Stalin’s granny, doesn’t she?

    These people mean business and unless they are eliminated from public life their weevil like undermining of familiy, property and democracy will continue undisturbed.

    • telemachus

      You are disingenuous to label the left as a whole because a deviant in a Northern Town makes a wrong call
      On the issue of press freedom I have no doubt that Cameron will be pushing whatever Hague said on Marr to gag the press and particularly the Guardian as punishment for turning on him and his Chipping Norton friends

      • Noa

        Nothing disingenuous about it Comrade. Your rearguard action to protect the common purpose Long Marchers is failing badly. They, and possibly you, having been caught bang to rights in hiding Pakistani child sex gangster and demonising ex Labour UKIP supporters.

      • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

        ” You are disingenuous to label the left as a whole because a deviant in a Northern Town makes a wrong callOn the issue of press freedom I have no doubt that Cameron will be pushing whatever Hague said on Marr to gag the press and particularly the Guardian as punishment for turning on him and his Chipping Norton friends ”
        telemachus

        There is a coherent and well thought out British left wing ideology which believes in advancing socialist projects such as for example the NHS through support for a mixed market economy and strong support for productive capitalist enterprise and regards political correctness and modern multiculturalism as cancers and regards Isamism and Arab racial supremacy ideology as arguably the biggest threat to the West since the rise of the Third Reich. Unfortunately there is no major political party on the left in Britain putting forward that position and the policies of Gordon Brown’s Labour Party Government were in many ways diametrically oppositional to it. The one good thing one can say about Gordon Brown’s Labour Party Government is that it was not as bad as the present pile of excrement which is the current UK Government. Therefor telemachus, your criticism of Vulture’s comments is both unfair and inaccurate.

        • telemachus

          The most important part of that diatribe is the comparison between Gordon and Cameron
          Life is about choices and leadership-this thread decries common purpose but that is what Common Purpose is about
          Well you clearly agree that the 2010 choice was wrong
          I am beginning to feel the creeping odour of sleaze in the Cameron Government and to long for a moral compass again

          • Mirtha Tidville

            The left is the left is the left….

          • TomTom

            TeleMach should ask why Miliband David has such a poor attendance record and big bank balance

          • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

            ” The most important part of that diatribe is the comparison between Gordon and Cameron
            Life is about choices and leadership-this thread decries common purpose but that is what Common Purpose is about
            Well you clearly agree that the 2010 choice was wrong
            I am beginning to feel the creeping odour of sleaze in the Cameron Government and to long for a moral compass again ”
            telemachus

            If you are taking Gordon Brown as a ” moral compass ” you are hopelessly lost.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Not as bad? How can you say that? Gordon Brown was surely the worst Prime Minister we have ever had, worse even than Heath, and the Government he led was no better. Just think of them. Jacqui Smith, Jack Straw, McShane, the cabs for hire. How could this lot conceivably be worse?

          • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

            ” Not as bad? How can you say that? Gordon Brown was surely the worst Prime Minister we have ever had, worse even than Heath, and the Government he led was no better. Just think of them. Jacqui Smith, Jack Straw, McShane, the cabs for hire. How could this lot conceivably be worse? ”
            Fergus Pickering

            Just to take one issue. The David Cameron British Union of Fascists Filth faux Conservative Party and the Clegg Lib Demons had the BAE Systems Nimrod MRA 4 shipsets taken off the production line and smashed to pieces with a construction digger as a gift to US President Barack Obama and the US Defense Industry and a suck up to the Stalinist Left in Britain that want the UK left defenseless even though the aircraft was paid for and ready to go in to RAF service. The gap in military capability which the loss of the Nimrod MRA 4 has generated could spin out in to Islamists detonating a ten kiloton yield range nuclear weapon in a British city.

          • http://www.facebook.com/amergin.selby Amergin Selby

            How could they conceivably be worse? They just are.

      • ButcombeMan

        What you are failing to spot (or duplicitously trying to avoid) is that this is part of a Common Purpose led, soft left, pattern.

        It is not just one deviant in one Northern Town.

        It will really damage Labour.

        Though you were not quick enough to spot this as a seminal moment, , Red-Ed was.

        The undoubted reason he was in so quick.

      • http://300wordtheses.blogspot.co.uk/ Gerry Dorrian

        telemachus, you are right in that Thacker is a deviant, but she is a product of the ideology she has been immersed in presumably since her student days. The cat’s out of the bag about left-wing enabling of abuse and oppression, though, and it will not be put back in.

    • Heartless etc.,

      Thank you Vulture. I append David’s excellent words for extra flavour: Under such circumstances, an inalienable right becomes little more than a
      licensed privilege essentially in the hands of self-interested
      legislators and/or judges.

      Presumably, the arrogant self-seeking dullards, who coagulate together to become the Group-Think Comrades that Noa and others mention, are in a (collective) vindictive sulk today.

  • Rhoda Klapp

    Hey, managed to get Matthew d’Ancona and John Milton in the same sentence. I didn’t think that could be done.

    And now to my regular diatribe. You have the freedom now, and you waste it with trivia and shallow gossip. Use it or lose it. Don’t come to me with examples of what some OTHER journalist did, put good stuff in your own articles and commission good stuff for the magazine. Start kicking the westminster village until it begins to do a proper job. Then come back here and show me why you need the freedom. You do not need it to do what you do now.

    • ScaryBiscuits

      Sounds like something Stalin would have said: come, little ones, express your opinions… then I’ll put you on a train to Siberia. The rest of your don’t deserve freedom.

      • Malfleur

        You should ask the troll, telemachus, about this. He is a fan of Stalin as you may read in his post on the Forsyth thread on this topic.

    • http://georgeigler.com/ George Igler

      Hear, hear.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Oh – come on Rhoda! Fraser couldn’t see anything amiss in the Neathergate scandal but he is right on the ball with nailing Nadine Dorries and celebrating the fact that mohammed is the most popular new male name or overlooking the scandal of Islam in Sweden where he has personal (lack of) insight.

      A true crusading hero of the cameronian left.

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