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26 November 2012

9:29 AM

26 November 2012

9:29 AM

OMG to Catalonia! (Geddit?; I’m quite proud of that. Pathetic, I know). A congenial centre-right and far left alliance in Catalonia should see Spain cease to exist as an entity within the next four years. Separatists now control the majority of seats in the Catalan parliament and public sentiment is broadly behind secession from the Castillians. With any luck the separatist sentiment will spread north of the border to Perpignan, to give the French a fright. Of course, it is not blood and thunder nationalism which has driven this wish to leave Spain behind, but economic self-interest. This is slightly disappointing for me, who rather wished that it had been occasioned by spite. But it is perhaps why Scotland will not vote to separate when Alex holds his referendum, despite his cunning ploy to allow five year olds and perhaps foetuses to vote. Nationalistic pride is all very well, but it is taken up by the majority only when they can see a few quid in it for themselves.


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  • rndtechnologies786

    Nice view.

  • northener17

    that should say ‘me’ not ‘them’

  • northener17

    Ethnic nationalism supposes we should be subdivieded by race. A quick look at the BNP vote should enlighten you as to how many people care about such subdivision – I know I don’t. On double standards – whether or not the Sub Saharan Bantus are ethno nationalists, or would accept a white man as ‘one of them’ means absolutley nothing to them. I’d love the world to have the American attitude.

  • Augustus

    They are carrying out a political fraud, designed to conceal their orientation to the bourgeoisie and a desire to share in the spoils of this new round of nation-building. The growth of separatist movements throughout Europe is a retrograde development which left unchallenged will pit indigenous workers against one another in a race to the bottom in terms of jobs, wages and conditions. Worse still, bourgeois separatism fuels fratricidal conflict ending in war. But Catalonia’s leader, Artur Mas, is going to have a helluva job changing Spain’s constitution, as the Basque region discovered in 2005.

  • Derk Aderkaderk

    To me a very positive result,hope they get what they want,involuntary centralisation is never positive.

    http://shockandawetactics.blogspot.se/

  • Little jewels of info

    did you know, if your type in `poor old person’ in the search bar of Google images – you get a picture of this esteemed columnist, Rod Liddle?

    • FrankS

      Yes, and before that you get Harriet Harperson

  • Eddie

    OMG to Catalonia?

    Not bad, Rod, mate. But it falls down a bit maybe because of the slight inconvenience that no-one pronounces OMG as an acronym, but as an initialism: Oh. Em. Gee…

    If I’d penned this article I’d have called it:

    FREE CHLAMYDIA!

    Just because…
    Or maybe FREE CATATONIA – if I could work it in somehow.

  • Woodstockwastrel
  • Baron

    and this, a brilliant idea if ever there was one because we all become rich:

    every city, town and village across this land should break free from the central government, and at once ask for a membership of the EU, then all the dwellers of the newly created statelets should take it in turn to act as Brussels commissioners, MEPs, civil servants and what have you. Just one turn each will be enough for everyone to make a little fortune, get a nice pension pot….

  • Baron

    FREE EAST ANGLIA !

    • Daniel Maris

      FREE LONDONIA!! Richest per capita nation of any size in the EU.

      • kwestion.all

        FREE EVERYTHING! (so long as I don’t have to pay for it)

      • Fochabers

        And what pray tell is the nation of London? Hardly even see or hear English people there anymore…most whites are French, Russian, Polish or Spanish, Aussies or some lost tourists.

        • Joshaw

          Fochabers – just two words: Kriss Donald.

        • Daniel Maris

          I never said it was a nation. It will be more like Greater Monaco. LOL

    • Eddie

      You mean EAST ANGULAR, surely?

  • kwestion.all

    Catalonia is not rich, it’s in deep debt just like the rest of Spain. How can you be both rich AND be in deep debt? The Catalan Nationalists are just as deluded as the Scots Nationalists, who think that somehow independence will turn them all into millionaires. All western countries practice free trade, so if the economies of Catalonia & Scotland are not doing well now, why should it be any different if they became independent?

    • Fochabers

      Independence is about making your own decisions, not outsourcing them to a corrupt Etonian cabal in far away Westminster.

      • kwestion.all

        Agreed, so long as you accept fiscal responsibilty (ie without subsidies) and don’t go thinking that there’s gold at the other end of the independence rainbow (as some nationalists clearly seem to think). At the end of the day, the usual daily grind goes on as before, independence or no independence.

        • terregles2

          There isn’t gold at the end of the independence rainbow but there is vast revenue from Whisky, Textiles, Biotechnology, Oil, Forestry, Fisheries, Tourism, Metals, Renewables, Electronics, Paper, Pharmaceuticals, Gas, Stem Cell research etc.

          Scotland is a wealthy country that is why Westminster is fighting hard to keep it. England does not have one natural resource that Scotland does not and with Independence Scotland has a bright future.
          The Great Obfuscation-GERS-2006 read the facts rather Westminster propaganda

      • Noa

        How will Scotlands’ proportion of the National Debt to be transferred be calculated? By size of population, by land mass?

        If the Orkney’s decide to remain English, or become an independent entity, how much oil will that leave under Edinburgh’s control?
        And how will Scotland repay the transferred liabilities?

        • Fochabers

          Liabilities depend on successor status. If England claims it and Scotland does not, then England gets all the debts. So if England claims all the UK colonies, overseas territories, embassies etc then it takes ALL debt.

          Orkney has never been part of england so it is difficult for it ”to remain English”.

          • Noa

            Oh I rather doubt England will accept all liabilities, don’t you?

            • Fochabers

              If England does not accept all liabilites then all assets – Falklands, Gibraltar, Man, jersey etc, all embassies, all the loot in the British Museum, NP Gallery and etc etc is shared out and divested.

  • John Steadman

    I know nothing about Catalonia, but I’ll take the opportunity anyhow of saying I really like the Scots – truculent but almost lovable big brothers, and good to have around in a scrap – and I would be sorry to see them go.

    But if Alex has any sense, as well as a much admired audaciousness, he will put a five-line whip on five-year olds and foetuses alike to bring his subjects out of the Union, then build another great big wall across the borders (taking in Newcastle with a bit of luck) to preserve Scottish national identity before it’s too late.

    But, yes, there’s unlikely to be anything in it cash-wise.

  • Wilhelm

    The Lombardy League / Lega Nord like the Flemish nationalists are proper nationalists, right wing and sensible, anti mass immigration and anti multiculturalism. What’s not to like ?

    • Daniel Maris

      I would have thought for them to fall in line with your ideology they’ve got to go that extra mile and realise their little flags,languages and all the rest are unimportant against the overriding gene-determination of life.

  • puss-in-plimsolls

    Quite proud of *what*, Rod? I don’t geddit.

    • Jack Dawson

      Nor me.

      • edlancey

        OMG = Homage but I expect you two twats are none the wiser

        • Daniel Maris

          It was a long time ago – 80 years nearly. How much about the literature of the Boer War did you know in your youth?

  • Wilhelm

    The Catalan nationalists like the SNP are not really nationalists, they’re socialist / cultural marxists. They believe in multiculturalism, mass immigration, the EUSSR, they both pander to islam. They believe in civic nationalism, not ethnic nationalism, so any sub Saharan bantu, dressed up like Carmen Miranda, can walk off an airplane in Edinburgh or Barcelona and he’s immediately a Scot or a Catalan. Preposterous, isn’t it ?

    Other nations like Switzerland and Austria believe that African / muslim immigrants are guest workers not citizens and will never be citizens, good for them. Nationalism is all about Blood and Soil, not sucking up to muslims and ebonic speakers to boast how pious you are.

    • puss-in-plimsolls

      Wilhelm: Are you aware of the distinction between patriotism and nationalism? It’s a very important one. Patriotism requires no apology; nationalism is given to extreme notions of us versus them and irrational passions that are dangerous to a decent society.

      • Wilhelm

        Groan.

        • puss-in-plimsolls

          The political historian John Lukacs has a cogent discussion on the difference in his book, The Hitler of History.

          • Wilhelm

            Multicultural enrichment in London , black attacks 16 year old girl in shocking video. You can take the African out of the jungle, but you cant take the jungle out of the African.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRcKFzI5Hc8

          • Noa

            Well, what is it then? 50 words should be plenty for you.

            • puss-in-plimsolls

              Strange that Wilhelm immediately assumes that by preferring patriotism to nationalism I am no sort of patriot at all. I am a patriot of liberty above all, by the way.

              Anyone interested in ideas that derive from and pertain to the real world are free to consider them on the indications I’ve already given. And read the book.

              • Noa

                I’ve no interest in reading a book that you are unable, or can’t be bothered to summarise the, to you, salient points.

                • puss-in-plimsolls

                  Lazy boy! Insolent, too. ‘Shown to be germane…’ — the cheek of it! Re-read my initial comment: that’s *your* assignment!

                • Noa

                  It can’t be cogent if you can’t explain it.

                • puss-in-plimsolls

                  Look, I’ll make it nice and simple for you. Nationalism tends to involve and invite an aggressive stance towards other peoples. I’m sure you can provide fitting examples of this. Patriotism is about enjoying what you have as a country and is more self-cherishing and inward-looking: it tends not to lead to the sort of behaviour that other nations find intimidating or threatening to their own sovereignty and ideals. For these reasons, patriotism is far less open to the challenge or accusation that decent moderns might — and do — level against nationalism. In short, nationalism tempts liberalism to throw the baby out with the bathwater, ignoring the needs of nations and peoples and categorizing *everything* conducive to those needs as somehow reprehensible. Patriotism is not just or even nationalism with a friendlier face, because it is in fact substantially different, despite the points of overlap. But patriotism is also much less open to the charge of vice than is nationalism.

      • Daniel Maris

        Wilhelm isn’t interest in nation, any more than H Himmler was. It’s all about whether or not you meet his exacting standards: best have chiselled cheek bones, blonde hair and blue eyes and look good in jackboots. Or else you might be for the other queue.

        • Wilhelm

          Get a grip, who on earth mentioned cattle trucks, only in your fevered imagination.

        • Noa

          Steady Daniel, too much information there. You need to get a grip…highly polished black jackboots?

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      “sub Saharan bantu” Lol. Kuluma isiZulu?

    • Daniel Maris

      Yeah, well the Swiss told your lot where to get off in 1940 didn’t they? Even the most ardent Nazis didn’t want to take on the Swiss. Switzerland, made up of French, Italians and Germans, was hardly an advery for ethnic nationalism was it?

      • Wilhelm

        Gosh, have you been reading the ladybird book of the Third Reich ?

        • Daniel Maris

          Well I haven’t been reading back copies of Signal, that’s for sure. :)

    • aaa

      yea an African man can become scottish, although it may take time and he will only be half scottish but his children will be full scottish. And no one has a monopoly on what i means to be scottish…we live in a globalised world…people eat the same food, watch the same TV all over the world.

      ethnic nationalism is pathetic, what next japan style blood group nationalism ?
      the EU is a crazy construct of the germans not the SNP.

      • Wilhelm

        Groan, not that one worlder shit.

        If there was 5 million bantus from Nigeria living in Scotland, instead of 5 million Celts, it wouldn’t be Scotland, would it ? it would be Timbuktu transplanted, duh !!

        ” we live in a globalised world.”

        Try and get some new material, instead of repeating like a good little Pavlovs dog, the learned Cultural Marxist script that they taught / brainwashed you at college / university.

        ” ethnic nationalism is pathetic.”

        Mind numbingly tiresome, by denigrating your own ethnicity, culture and country, you’re boasting how pious you are, ” look at me, look at me, I get along with everyone, let’s all hold hands together round the campfire, Christians, jews, muslims, blacks and sing Kumbaya my Lord.”

        It’s all about ” me, me me. ” they don’t show much solidarity with their children or grandchildren who will inherit the balkanised nightmare they leave behind. It’s all about making themselves feel good, right now, without regard of future consequences of their actions. So their ” solidarity ” with African and muslim immigrants is a extreme form of egotism and holier than thou self exaltation.

        I find these oikophobes and xenocentric types quite disgusting.

        • Daniel Maris

          So how did the illiterate Highland savages – who wore skirts, lived in mud huts,indulged in cannibalism, rape and pillage – become the civilised Brits you are hymning Wilhelm?

          Come to think of it – how did those mud hut dwelling Germans who used to nail Roman soldiers to trees become the wet dream of your fantasies?

          • Noa

            I doubt it was through mass immigration and the absorption of Islamic and African cultural mores.

            Would you care to share your own view of the Celtic development pathway with us?

          • Wilhelm

            Gosh, what a demented stream of consciousness.

      • Eddie

        So, a white Scot of Englishman can go live in Africa and become African then – by the same token? Or his children (white as daisies) would be considered as much African as a black man? Yeah right!
        And if a white person goes to China and has white kids with their white wife and lives there generations, they’re considereed Chinese are they? Ditto for India. In fact, ditto for all Asia and Africa.
        There are double standards here – and Wilhelm is correct there.
        Ethnic nationalism may well be pathetic, but I think you’ll find it’s practised all over Asia and Africa by brown and black people who do not consider that a person of a different colour can ever become ‘one of us’.

        • Daniel Maris

          That’s pathetic Eddie. So you are saying Michael Portillo is a Spaniard;
          Benjamin Disraeli was an Israeli; Trevor McDonald is 100% Trinidadian; Salman Rushdie is an Indian; and Dr Kwasi Alfred Addo Kwarteng (London born, Eton, Cambridge, MP) is “African” presumably living in a mud hut on the Savannah in your imagination.

          I think if you actually study what Wilhelm is interested in you’ll see he is not a nationalist. He is a racist. He believes in genes not nation or culture.

          Maybe you agree with Wilhelm. If so, at least be honest about it, love.

          • Noa

            At what point then, do you say we have sufficient ‘cultural enrichment’ and need no more?

            At 1%, 5%, 15% or more?
            As Catalonia moves towards a referendum and possible independence do you not think the cultural and financial issues will be deeply debated?

            Perhaps we are now witnessing the end of European national unification, of Garibaldi and Bismarck nation states, a reversal to regional allegiances? So much then for globalism.

          • Wilhelm

            Codswallop,

            Here’s a question for you, is Joanna Lumley, Spike Milligan and Cliff Richard, who where all born in India, British or Indian ?

          • Eddie

            What I am saying is that that is EXACTLY how people in Asia and Africa define their own national and tribal cultures.
            No white can ever be an Indian, a Nigerian, a Chinese, a Jap – no matter how white they are or how manyt generations of their families have lived there.

            I am merely reporting the standard view on these things everywhere in the world outside Europe or its offspring (USA, Australia). I am simply pointing out the doubel standards regarding this whole race issue – and it’s the same blacks and Asians who scream about how racist Britain is who believe that no white person would ever be an African or an Asian.

            Now calm down dear, and learn how to handle rational debate without slinging round veiled accusations of racism. It’s just SO ‘Rotherham’, dear…
            The only truly pathetic thing here is your inability to read the English language with misunderstanding everything. Are you Bantu, love?
            What I am saying is that that is EXACTLY how people in Asia and Africa define their own national and tribal cultures. No white can ever be an Indian, a Nigerian, a Chinese, a Jap – no matter how white they are or how manyt generations of their families have lived there.
            I am merely reporting the standard view on these things everywhere in the world outside Europe or its offspring (USA, Australia). I am simply pointing out the doubel standards regarding this whole race issue – and it’s the same blacks and Asians who scream about how racist Britain is who believe that no white person would ever be an African or an Asian.
            Now calm down dear, take an aspirin love, and learn how to handle rational debate without slinging round veiled accusations of racism. It’s just SO ‘Rotherham’, dear…

  • Terry

    No I don’t get it. Please explain. I accept the public humiliation that this will entail.

    • Sven_Diagram

      Orwell

      • puss-in-plimsolls

        Or well up with pride?

        • rod liddle

          I’m too old.
          Homage to catalonia.
          OMG to catalonia.
          I was so proud, too. It’s almost the only reason I wrote the piece.

          • Daniel Maris

            Whereas the Scottish referendum is a homage to catatonia? I’m quite proud of that. LOL

            • Oedipus Rex

              Every right to be! Good one

            • Hexhamgeezer

              …..tips hat in your direction…..

          • AndyB

            It was mildly amusing Rod. Since I’m studying comparative Spanish and Greek Civil war history, the Orwell ref was pretty much the only one available in the context of Catalunya. On a separate note, when I started out I thought my subject was purely academic, although it seems to be increasingly a taught vocational skill. Perhaps I’ll get a City and Guilds technical qualification if events over take my thesis.

            • Woodstockwastrel

              its because you’ve all seen the daft human statues on the Ramblas, probably when pissed.

          • puss-in-plimsolls

            A-ha! I’ve got to dig out my Orwell from my plethora of moving boxes. I know he’s in there somewhere (Why I Write, etc.).

  • Matthew Whitehouse

    It has only to do with what the majority of people want, nothing else.

    • rod liddle

      right, thank you for that.

  • Eddie

    Catalonia – like the north of Italy – is rich; the southern regions of those countries are poor.

    So not like Scotland leaving the UK at all; perhaps more like the south-east of England wanting independence?

    Personally, I think things should be left as they are – in Britain, in Spain, in France – though regions can have more autonomy but stay part of the whole. Or are we going to go back to city states and pre-Alfred times in Britain with separate kingdoms?
    Oh no, I forgot – all those Eurozone countries are no longer independent states anyway but controlled by the EU. So massive centralisation under the EU has led to various regions wanting to be ‘independent’ (or ‘pretend independent’ anyway). Funny old world, innit…

    • MichtyMe

      But Scotland is rich(ish), the most productive area of the UK, with a GDP 117% the average and a net contributor to the UK Treasury.

      • Eddie

        Utter Scotty-dotty NONSENSE!

        Are you on something? Been at the Buckfest agin, laddie, aye?
        Scotland is massively subsidised by the UK taxpayers (actually the English taxpayers) and every Scot gets 10% more public money than anyone in England or Wales. Scotland is the British equivalent of southern Italy or the poorer parts of Spain – Scotland too is massively subsidised by the economy of south-east England (and didn’t the English just bail out the failed Scottish banks anyway eh?)
        North Sea Oil? Well, you see, it was explored, discovered, developed and produced largely using English subsidies – and anyway, most is not in Scottish Waters (if Scotland ever became ‘independent’ as a lickspittle satellite sycophant bumboy of Brussels).

        • MichtyMe

          Don’t do facts do you Eddie. Scotland with 8.3% of the population contributes 9.6% of UK revenues.
          The companies which extracted the oil and have paid London nearly £200 billion,produced using English subsidies? well, that must the best one of your risible myths.

          • Woodstockwastrel

            thats utter bollocks actually

            • Eddie

              Yes, it is. The SNP fantasy (otherwise known as a BIG FAT LIE) does manage to convince many less educated, English-hating, bigoted, jingoistic that such delusions are true.

          • Eddie

            Shouldn’t you be away counting your English subsidy lucre, wee man?

            All sane, intelligent and numerate persons can agree that English taxpayers MASSIVELY subsidise Scotland, which as a whole is poor.

            Or, if what you say is true, laddie, you won’t mind stopping all subsidy to Scotland, will yer, aye? End the Barnett Formula tomorrow then and be rich in rich Scroteland where it is always sunny and the people are always so smiley and Scottishness, because everything is better in Scotland, oh aye (Have you escaped from a TV comedy sketch show MitchyMe?)

            Scotland is the equivalent of a pregnant 25 year olf mother living on benefits in a massive detached house paid for by English taxpayers, where she houses hor 5 coffee-coloured babies by 6 different fathers (oh aye, in Scotland you see, numbers don’t have to have sense, eh?) She then hates the working people she sees for paying her £50k a year in handouts.

            Do some REAL sums and stop spouting Alex Salmond’s recycled fart juice, eh?

          • Barry Whitley

            Since an independent Scotland would be highly dependent on oil revenues, which fluctuate, and are in decline in spite of oil price rises, it is highly unlikely that Scotland would enjoy low borrowing costs similar to, say, Denmark. Even a modest increase in interest payments would destroy any hope of a surplus, even with a geographical share of oil revenues.

        • Fochabers

          Someone with a mental age of 1. I blame the pish poor english education system with its focus of trying to teach in classes with no one with native English speakers, so it is perhaps not your direct fault that you are a moron.

          “Scotland too is massively subsidised by the economy of south-east
          England (and didn’t the English just bail out the failed Scottish banks
          anyway eh?)”

          RBS and HBOS are not ‘Scottish’, most deposits and debts were overseas and in England – Natwest, Coutts, Halifax etc. Does that make it sound more English?? I can try and draw a comic cartoon but that will be time wasted on your limited capacity to understand.

          Scotland actually has industry – Whisky is a £5billion pound industry alone, then there is oil, energy, technology, argiculture – Scotland is in the top 3 largest Salmon exporters and is another billion £ industry.

          England produces nothing outside a small productive zone from parts of London to Reading. Outside is housing and buy to lets. Massive immigration has destroyed England and has masked its real decline.

          • Barry Whitley

            Your post has a desperate feel to it, Fochabers. Whisky, salmon – good grief. Not many ships these days though. Hardly surprising in view of the pig’s ear you made of the QE2.

            And the reference to paedophiles is really scraping the barrel. However, if that’s your preferred level, we could look at crime figures generally, and perhaps murders in particular. We could start with Ian Brady and move on from there.

            • Fochabers

              £5.4 billion worth of exports in food and drink last year alone…

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-17522644

              So Whisky and Salmon matter. Laugh, but it is better than producing nothing like most of england does.

              • Joshaw

                “but it is better than producing nothing like most of england does.”

                Cars, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, defence, software, creative, construction, plastics and plastic products (increasing), electrical machinery, parts and equipment (also increasing).

                And believe it or not, we even have some agriculture.

                • Fochabers

                  “Cars, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, defence, software, creative, construction, plastics and plastic products (increasing), electrical machinery, parts and equipment (also increasing).

                  And believe it or not, we even have some agriculture.”

                  The big players in all the above are foreign owned. There are no large English car companies for example.

                • Joshaw

                  Moving the goalposts now? Cars are foreign owned but still made here.

                  And are you trying to argue that Diageo, for instance, is Scottish?

                  And how is your tram system coming along?

                • Fochabers

                  Most Whisky distilleries are Scottish owned and Diageo is taxed locally at production and through VAT and other duties. Cars exported do not generate as much tax.

                • Woodstockwastrel

                  um, duh. Most English people couldn’t give a flying fuck- so vote for the left wing mindless SNP if you so choose. You will lose your ‘free’ prescription charges and ‘free’ student fees quicker than a rat up a drainpipe.

                • Woodstockwastrel

                  Much as I like Scotland- you are completely misguided Fochabers. Don’t listen to what you hear on the radio, check your facts.

              • Eddie

                Yep, and Scotland exports more paedophiles to other parts of the world than any other British nation. Fact. I read it on the interweb, so it must be true…
                Jeez, some of you Scots are just tartan nazis, aincha?
                Ironic really, as tartan, kilts, castles, the whole Scottish ting was entirely invented by the Victorian English.
                Though the Scots did have kilts of a sort from way back: far easier to rape sisters, daughters and sheep that way eh?

                • Fochabers

                  “tartan, kilts, castles, the whole Scottish ting was entirely invented by the Victorian English. ”

                  You do realise that tartan, kilts and castles existed for centuries before ‘the Victorian English’. You probably spent more time at school learning ‘citizenship’ than history, as it shows by your total ignorance.

                • Eddie

                  I think you’ll find that all the images YOU think of in your utter ignorance as ‘Scottish’ are nothing of the sort: tartans, kilts, romantic castles – all products of the English Victorians and Walter Scott (a borders writer; not a Govan SNP member).
                  Also, the Scots always claim that Scots invented so many things they did not. Watt was NOT the first to invent the steam engine; Stephenson did NOT invent the train (for that please look up TREVITHWICK).
                  Fact is. Scottish identity is about as real as Star Trek – it was essentially constructed in the 18th and 19th centuries (the Scots were Irish immigrants actually; the Picts and others is what you are, wee man). Scotland benefited enormously from being able to piggy-back on the English success and British Empire – if Scotland hadn’t been close to England, it’d be like Albania now.

                • Fochabers

                  More ignorance. Tartan has been around since before Roman times…they even found it in Western China from Iron Age tribes. English Victorian did not invent it. Sir Walter Scott did make tartan and kilts fashionable, but Highlanders did wear it for centuries before as has been attested. What Scott did is make it fashionable for Lowlanders and English rich playing laird. Lowlanders would not be seen dead wearing such peasant costumes before hand.

                  Most nations of Europe were invented in the 19th century. The rise of nationalism in that century has been much documented – be that Italian, Slovak, Czech, Polish, German, Estonian, Scottish or Irish. Like France, England did its best to destroy regional languages like Cornish, Manx, Welsh, Irish, Lallans and Scots Gaelic during that time, in a form or colonialism and mocking.

                  Yes the Scots came from Ulster and the Gaelic language of Scotland came from Irish (same for Manx). Picts, Britons and Northumbians spoke a language similar to Welsh, as did the people of England. Germanic immigrants brought what was to become English to a Welsh speaking people. English is an immigrant language, much like so many of Englands population, going by how few white children I see in London it seems that you will soon be extinct.

                • Eddie

                  So you admit it: all Scottish culture is fake. Tartan is not Scottish but Chinese, Whisky was invented by the Welsh, and the Scots speak a dialect of German.
                  Of course, looked at in one way, all people are immigrants – all Europeans, all native Americans, all Asians and all Africans too except a few souls living in the Rift Valley. But people there don’t constantly harp on about how their culture was invented by immigrants of course.
                  The point is: why is it OK for Scots to utterly fake their history in order to prop up their rabid English-hating and jingoistic chauvinistic nationalism – when the English are not even allowed to be patriotic without being accused of ‘racism’ or being a little Englander? Double standards there. Or it it racism against the English?
                  Don’t worry though – Scotland’s cities will soon be as browny-black as England’s. And in fact, in the Highlands, the English seem to outnumber the Scots – many of whom seem to prefer going to live in England.

                • Fochabers

                  All nations culture is an artifice – it has to be created at some time. Tartan tat is stereotyping Scottish culture, when it is a small artificial construct, something to pedal to tourists and the tens of millions of expat Scots and their decedents.

                  ” And in fact, in the Highlands, the English seem to outnumber the Scots – many of whom seem to prefer going to live in England.”

                  They are escaping England’s odd theory of importing millions of 3rd world peasants in the middle of the world’s worse economic slump and want their kids to go to schools where the white child is not a novelty.

                • Eddie

                  Agreed – and most whites with kids leave London or send their kids private for the same reason. Travel out to Kent or Essex to find these hoardes of refugees – go to Devon, Cornwall, the West Country, Wales, the Scottish borders and Highlands to find whites galore who have fled the vibrant and diverse mess of London.

                • Woodstockwastrel

                  Like I said you dumb Scots dick- they are coming your way

                • Woodstockwastrel

                  I agree on that you Scots git, but they are heading your way – its your ridiculous Labour Party that have consistently insisted on happy multi culturalist immigration. Thanks for that mate. Your chippy fuckwit jealousy has fucked up the whole nation.

              • Joshaw

                Not to mention unparallelled expertise in light rail systems.

                BTW Fochabers, have you got it working yet?

              • Woodstockwastrel

                we do way more than that in that in small arms alone you idiot.

            • Eddie

              Aye – and anyway, it was the Welsh who first discovered how to make whisky, not the Scots or Irish!
              And Salmon and fish who, if my biology O-level serves me well, do not possess nationatlities or allegiances, other than to species – and not even then really, as they are cannibalistic and amoral. Maybe they are SNP after all ah?

              • Woodstockwastrel

                I couldn’t give a fig who invented salmon or whatever, the facts are the Scots have won- their priggish socialist brand of anti English hate has done us down.

          • Eddie

            England is good at produing paedophiles eh? (Though I think you’ll find the Rochdale gangs were Asian and of imported Muslim culture: Scotland has benefited from being less multiculti then England, for sure, where some English cities have now been colonised and taken over by Asians)
            But – and this is the crux of the issue – we muct never EVER forget that Scotland produced THE KRANKIES.
            I rest my case, m’ludd.

            • Fochabers

              The krankies are not bad, now retired, thankfully. If you wish to never forget a Scottish import to England then one must present Gordon Brown. He is the one responsible for the millions of immigrants in the UK and the one for stifling any debate. we can agree to hang draw and quarter him at the border as part of the independence debate.

              • Woodstockwastrel

                now why are you talking sense?, you ginger bearded mad Scots kilted claymore waving caber tossing idiot

          • Woodstockwastrel

            LOL

      • Daniel Maris

        And will become super-rich once the Germans have sorted out making methane from solar and wind, which will be soon.

        • Baron

          Daniel, lots of human feces around, why don’t we make methane from that stuff then, get richer than the Huns. It’s more reliable than wind, you know, the one that blows around, breaks trees, occasionally turning the propellors of the contraptions you so much in love with…..

          • Daniel Maris

            Well it’s easier to make electricity from it directly by burning it, which is what we are already doing in this country.

            With just one wind turbine you can now service 6000 homes.

            • Woodstockwastrel

              bullshit

  • Robert Taggart

    Good luck to the Catalans, oh, and the Jocks too !

    Question. Will FCBarcelona become the national team ? Will Messi become an honourable Catalan ?!

    • Woodstockwastrel

      Don’t remember you in any team at Brocksford Hall Robert!

      • Robert Taggart

        Not in any team at any skule !
        Neither a winner nor a loser be !!

        • Woodstockwastrel

          1977 woz a lung tyme ago thow Robert!- I do rememember buxom Mrs Miller tho- Jeez

        • Woodstockwastrel

          I hope your not watching that James Herbert thing ‘Crickley Hall’ on Sunday night tv – bit too close to the bone for me Cooky- the Mrs loves it though!

  • Kevin

    secession from the Castillians

    That is right. Catalonia can secede, but the former Republic of Texas, which already has its own executive, legislature and judiciary? “Dumb rednecks!”

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