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Can Hamas contain Gaza’s other terrorist groups?

15 November 2012

15 November 2012

One of the things to watch for as tensions escalate between Gaza and Israel is the extent to which Ismail Haniyeh’s authority is eroded within the Strip. Hamas is clearly responsible for launching a number of missiles into southern Israel, yet it does not have a monopoly on the violence. Salafi-Jihadist groups such as Jund Ansar Allah and Tawhid wal-Jihad also operate in the region and are acting unilaterally when it comes to attacking Israel.

Haniyeh failed to broker a deal between the various factions earlier this week, once it was clear that Israel would no longer tolerate rocket attacks. All this reveals the limits of any political pressure which might be brought to bear on Gaza’s administration. The United States and Egypt will call on Hamas to avoid a full confrontation with Israel – but unless Haniyeh can exert authority over other groups operating in Gaza then the immediate future looks very bleak indeed.


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  • barbie

    Hamas is the problem for Gaza. If you intend committing crimes you can expect to retaliation. Hamas is a terrorist group funded by Iran. Israel as shown restraint, lets face it they could have gone in months ago heavy handed, but they haven’t. Israel doe mean to counter the pictures like above, Hamas uses this kind of shot to create hatred and muster support. Why is the Washington Post using it? The Egyptian PM said it was crimes against humanity the raids Israel have used, are not Jews human too? What of the deaths and injuries to jews, does that not count? No, I support the jews, in their fight, they are surrounded on all sides; this state was accepted by the UN, and it stands. Before Hamas try to bring others into the fray they would do well to understand what they do and the consequences. There can be no winners in war only losers.

  • america fuck yeah

    lets be honest the real enemy here is religion. 90 percent of the problems in the middle east stem from religion. oh and the u.s. has fucked up the whole region a good deal too.

  • Hexhamgeezre

    The hideously mis-named Arab Spring has probably taken us to 10 to 12 on the Doomsday Clock where 12 will see the final eradication of Jews and Christians from the entire Middle East and ‘Arab’ World.

    Are we seeing the final chapter in the gradual removal of 2 ancient religions and their peoples from their homelands by the viciously intolerant death cult that is !$lam and their leftist cheerloaders in the West?

    • vix

      Well you could ask who started these ancient religions….?
      if it is the ‘final chapter’, it would good if the author could put the Jewish, Christian and Muslim fundamentalists all in one pot and boil it.
      But then moderates never did make for a good story or celebrity status.

      Cheer up, we have fracking future outside the Middle East now…

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Worthy of a place in the annals of Great Non Replies of History.

        Surreal. I salute you.

    • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

      Herding the various groups into ghettos is all part of the plan for the race specific weapons.

  • Greg Norman

    This article is complete and utter crap. I normally like the spectator but you take the wrong side in this. As a left winger I usually support the underdog too. However the underdog in this instance is not Hamas but Israel as the is one thing to target civilians and one thing to target people who target civilians. Hamas have FULL control and in fact are behind most of the violence together with Islamic Jihad. If you want peace, then stop supporting terrorists and other one side rubbish but support a way to broker negotiations to share a land that is simply disputed.

  • john

    The Palestinian leadership doesn’t care how many civilians or babies die as a result of their actions as they regard them all as shah-ids- Martyrs. They shoot missiles at Israeli civilians from within civilian houses and neighborhoods, cowards that they are. It is all documented on the IDF spokesmen twitter page.

  • Cassandra1963

    Biased BBC and Guido Fawkes blogs have BBC footage of a victim being carried off unconscious and then miraculously coming back to life and walking around a few seconds later with no ill effects. The BBC back to its old tricks again peddling fake footage of fake victims in Gaza the home of Pallywood. But then again since when has the BBC ever been shy about running fake stories about fake victims, and they even have one of their own that has conveniently become a victim, a BBC employee called Jihad(how apt) has had his own infant killed by the IDF and just happened to have half the Gazan media on site, very convenient eh? We can all hope that the BBCs own Jihad will find that his bag of sugar wrapped in a blanket/dead infant makes a miraculous recovery after the fighting is over.

    • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

      Pallywood.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Can Hamas contain Gaza’s other terrorist groups?

    Yes, if it chooses.

  • Augustus

    Gaza is not a country. It is an entity controlled by a hostile government that allows attacks to be made on Israeli targets from its territory. These attacks kill and wound Israeli civilians and many more suffer shock and trauma. Normal life is completely disrupted, even by attacks that do not cause casualties or damage. It may be that there are many Gaza residents who do not participate in attacks against Israel, but they are still enemy nationals. They chose Hamas in elections and even today there are no signs of protest against the Hamas regime and it seems that the Gaza public generally supports Hamas.

    Throughout human history, laying siege to the enemy and preventing the enemy, including civilians under its control, from receiving supplies, has been an acceptable means of warfare. Britain did not just impose a naval blockade on Germany, it also launched air strikes against civilian and economic targets in Germany to bring about the end of the war. However, the absurd situation in which Israel sends food to Gaza while rockets are launched into Israel cannot continue. Humanitarian gestures cannot be free of charge, but rather should be made in exchange for the extradition of weapons from Gaza and the halt of the smuggling of weapons, which do not come just from Egypt. Maybe the tightening of the blockade could prevent a bloody war in Gaza.

    • Patriccia Shaw

      Oh Augustus you are blind
      And deaf
      And daft
      The Palestinians have been frozen out of participation in their own country.
      They have been coralled into a tiny strip of land while the invaders of their country build settlements on even that bit of the country that the UN recognise as theirs.
      What more is there to do than retaliate with rockets?
      I have just heard the head of the quartet failing to condemn the Netanyahu surgical strikes
      Surgical strikes my eye
      They have just burned to death the baby of a BBC correspondent in a residential district.
      It is no wonder that they feel that Iran need to progress

      • Cassandra1963

        Oh Patriccia are you blind? The ‘Palestinians’ have had so many chances for peace and refused them all in order to carry on the Jihad, and until the ‘Palestinians’ sit down and negotiate borders with Israel which they have consistently refused to do there will be no peace. Israel evacuated Gaza as a gesture of goodwill and it promptly became a platform for terror attacks.

        A baby was not “burned” to death, it was supposedly hit by shrapnel from a tank round according to its father a BBC employee called Jihad, we didnt get to see inside the blanket and do not even know if the blanket contained a body at all, what we do know is that the ‘Palestinians’ are experts in faking footage of casualties and the BBC is all too eager to show this faked footage. Time after time we see faked videos of fake victims coming from Gaza, does it not strike you as too much of a coincidence that a ‘Palestinian’ BBC employee just happens to have his infant killed just when half the Gazan media is ready to film it all and the BBC is sent the footage so quickly.
        You talk about blindness, time you opened up your eyes and found out what is going on at the BBC.

        • Patriccia Shaw

          Why is it that the West are so mired up in guilt that they cannot see that atonement cannot be obtained by killing the legitimate inhabitants of Palestine?

          • Augustus

            A more pertinent question would be: Why has Abbas refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, both as a Zionist entity and as
            a political reality, a position also shared by Palestinian religious and educational leaders? Furthermore, by referring to ‘the legitimate inhabitants of Palestine’, are you not simply highlighting the Palestinian doctrine of hatred that Abbas has not put an end to?

        • barbie

          I agree a blind analysis.

      • anyfool

        The Palestinians have been frozen out of participation in their own country.
        They do not have a country, there was never a Palestine there was an Ottoman admin area.
        The so called Palestinians were and still are regarded as the Roma of the Arab world which is why they are treated like lepers by the rest of the Middle East hence their wild cheering for Saddam when he invaded Kuwait.

        • Daniel Maris

          From what I have read and seen I tend to think the Gazans are pretty much connected with the Egyptian Arabs, whereas the West Bank Arabs probably do have a distinct identity.

          Of course, Arafat was born in Egypt, was brought up there, let’s not forget. He had a pretty tenuous connection with “Palestine” and seemed mostly motivated by Jew hatred as far as I can tell – no doubt not unconnected with the views of his Nazi-allied uncle.

      • Augustus

        Would any responsible government sit idly by and be bombed morning, noon, and night without their taking some kind of action? When Obama won a second term last week, Iranian Ayatollah Khamenei and his puppet, President Ahmadinejad, understood two key things: that the game of summits and negotiations was back on the table, and that the best distraction from their own dastardly plan would be to push Israel into an untenable position with America. What could be better than goading Netanyahu into a war, just as an election campaign is heating up in the Jewish state? As they say, elections have consequences. But as he said at the UN last year: “How do you protect such a tiny country, surrounded by people sworn to its destruction and armed to the teeth by Iran? Obviously you can’t defend it from within that narrow space alone. Israel needs greater strategic depth, and that’s exactly why Security Council Resolution 242 didn’t require Israel to leave all the territories it captured in the Six-Day War. It talked about withdrawal from territories, to secure defensible boundaries. As the prime minister of Israel, I speak for a hundred generations of Jews who were dispersed throughout the lands, who suffered every evil under the Sun, but who never gave up hope of restoring their national life in the one and only Jewish state. The Palestinians should first make peace with Israel and then get their state. But I also want to tell you this. After such a peace agreement is signed, Israel will not be the last country to welcome a Palestinian state as a new member of the United Nations. We will be the first.”

      • rodger the dodger

        I would be perfectly happy to see Israel totally flatten the Gaza strip. Tell all the Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians who live there to go back to their own countries by ‘x’ date, and if they don’t, they suffer the consequences. And on ‘x’ date start turning the entire area into a heap of rubble.

        • barbie

          I don’t agree with that at all, but Muslims whereever they are appear to cause meyhem and death. They will by their own actions be the death of themselves eventually.

  • Noa

    If the various collectives of murderers you mention want to kill each other they will be doing the civilised world, which includes Isreal, but excludes Gaza, a service.

    • telemachus

      You really need to get a grip
      Aggressors are aggressors whether Mossad, Hammas or Alliance of Builders

      • Noa

        Then, Wilde like, you should attempt to interpose your own body between them to dispel their collective hostility.

  • Luke Orban

    Hamas is responsible for the resistance to Israeli aggression, which started this recent escalation. The genuine acts of terrorism cannot be tolerated by any political party – which Hamas is, regardless if the West recognizes it or not – there is a fine line between resistance & terrorism. Hamas has no official sway concerning the groups mentioned (in fact the two groups have been opposed to and had violent clashes with Hamas. Though I concede as being in power in Gaza, Hamas has the duty to quell the terror attacks. The media is refusing to comment on this issue and failing to concede this escalation was accelerated by Israel having killed Ahmed al-Jabari.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Escalation indeed, but what was the preceding ‘normal’ level of activity you fail to mention? Continuous rocket attacks on Israel by the islamists which go unmentioned month after month after month by the ‘balanced’ BBC. Israel then tires of these acts of war and removes one of those responsible. And then Hamas, the BBC, and its fellow travellers talk of ‘escalation’.

      • vix

        And what preceded that? Two intifadas. The deliberate recall by Israel of the PLO from Tunis in the face of interior Palestinians who would negotiate peace. Ah yes, the terrorism of Irgun at Dir Yassin and the herding of Palestinians into an area called Gaza. And what preceded that, the nasty British, the Romans, the Babylonians…. This is a worthless line of blame and counter blame.
        The question is not about fault now or then. It is what is a viable way forward.
        If you want to know what the Gazans were like before they voted in utter hopelessness for Hamas, read
        Drinking the Sea at Gaza by Israeli Amira Hass. about 1993.
        Obviously her name has been denigrated since writing the book but it is a real eye opener into life trapped in the strip and what was about to push them over the edge.

      • Luke Orban

        The ‘normal’ activity which you selectively refer to, misses the Israeli drones and continuous air-strikes on a region it has no sovereignty over. Which kill civilians – this recent escalation came from Israel breaking a ceasefire which was put in place after Israel killed a 13 year old Palestinian boy. There is no way any attempt of ‘balance’ from the BBC as it headlines with Israeli’s killed & no mention of Palestinians killed. The IDF chose to launch its campaign of terror into a region it has no claim to, the subsequent attacks from Gaza are in resistance & this does not amount to terrorism.

        • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

          You are so badly misinformed.

          There is a much wider game going on for which the Palestinians serve as a useful tool for the various interests – ask yourself why the Palestinians are treated so badly by other arab states, and why so many of them were never Palestinian in the first place, but elements that those same arab states wanted rid of.

          Instead of being blindly partisan and letting yourself be manipulated by the controlled media, look at the agenda of cutting China out of the cheap oil; at the way the arab spring was a device for regime change to squeeze out the Chinese out of oil contracts; at the fleet from 27 countries is sitting off the straits of Hormuz; at the recent change of Chinese government; at the threats made the Chinese of war with the US.

          You are wasting your time fretting about who fired first and whose fault it is. That is what they want you to do. And your problem is that you have fallen for the bait hook, line and sinker.

    • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

      And the sun comes up at night.

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