Coffee House The View from 22

The View from 22: Conservative conference special

10 October 2012

10 October 2012

Earlier today, I spoke to some politicians and commentators for their take on David Cameron’s speech. Now it’s Coffee House’s turn. The Spectator team have gathered in Birmingham this afternoon for a special podcast to discuss both the Prime Minister’s speech and the Conservative conference overall:

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  • Daniel Maris

    I agree with other posters who have referenced mass immigration. If you are in the political business and you don’t mention mass immigration as a major issue you are engaged in a fraud on the public. So in that sense we have seen three fraudulent conferences.

    Mass immigration is having all sorts of serious negative effects e.g. the need for an extra 74,000 primary school places in ONE year in London (!!!), incredible pressure on the NHS, a soaring population meaning that in this small island we are having to surrender huge swathes of natural habitat and farmland to urbanisation, tremendous demand on housing (driving up housing costs as mentioned by Boris), undermining of educational standards due to the number of non-English speakers in schools and creation of youth unemployment, making the welfare system untenable…that’s just a few examples.

    Then there is of course the general cultural impact with many parts of our country becoming in some sense “foreign” to those from the original cultures of Britain.

    There can be no respect for any party that doesn’t address the issue of mass immigration – even if it were only to look the British people squarely in the eye and say: “Mass immigration is part of modern life. We like it. We don’t oppose it. Get used to it.” That is probably what all three leaders actually think. They are just all too cowardly to say so.

    • Trofim

      You can always go and live in Herefordshire. Oh, sorry. There are plans to build a big mosque in Hereford. There’s nowhere left in Britain. Ross and Cromarty?

  • Realist

    DOGSNOB – agree but I doubt you’ll ever get anyone in politics to seriously debate the issue. The West seems to be hell-bent on destroying itself and I, for one, will never really understsand why.

    • dalai guevara

      The one word answer to that one is…..leverage.

      • Dogsnob

        How many words did you say?

  • Dogsnob

    Was there any mention in any of these conferences by any of these anti democratic swindlers, of immigration and what it is doing to our nation?

    Thought not.

    • Molly

      Dogsnob by name and Dogsnob by nature.

      • http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/ Coffeehousewall

        Molly, why so? Immigration is one of the great issues of our time, slowly destroying our nation and culture. If you were not so poisoned by the foreign contagion of socialism you would recognise this.

        • Molly

          I’m sure I’ve been poisoned by many substances but the “foreign contagion of socialism” isn’t one of them, Adolf. (PS. Is Coffeehouse really Coffeehouse or an imposter?)

          • Daniel Maris

            Socialism was virtually invented in this country by Robert Owen,the first modern trade unions, the Chartists, and the Co-operative movements. Plus of course Marx and Engels were residents of this country.

            In no sense has socialism ever been “foreign”. The enduring British labour movement shows that to be the case.

            However, that has nothing to say about the reality of mass immigration.
            Mass immigration to this country is a bit like experiencing a flood. To begin with no one much notices as the water laps around one’s feet. But we are well beyond that stage: the water is metaphorically around waist height – when we really begin to feel the consequences: that’s why we are getting this huge pressure on schools, health, welfare, jobs, and transport – and as the ONS confirmed, it is why per capita GDP has been falling steadily for several years now. If we knew it would stop we could maybe deal with it – but it isn’t stopping. This year will bring 100s of thousands more people into the country and the birth rate continues to rise.

          • Dogsnob

            No word for me on the old immigration question then? On why it is so egregious to be concerned for the welfare of one’s own nation in the face of massive immigration especially in a time of severe recession?

            • dalai guevara

              What could Molly give you that I cannot? 😉

              1- Our welfare system is a shambles, correct – the 16h work/tax hurdle has yet to be removed for anyone in distress to work more (legally). Is this willfully prohibited? Why?

              2- Immigration, direct or indirect, will fall. Who wants to come to a country that cannot offer a decent living wage for City of London inhabitants? Who wants to come and study here and perhaps assimilate later? Have you seen the overseas registration data of London Universities?

              3- According to your government, we are no longer in recession (source: NIESR 9 Oct 2012). Appartently, no one is listening.

              What else can you get wrong tonight?

              • Dogsnob

                Is your final question addressed to me? If so I’m puzzled as I’ve not been active in any of the points you cite.

      • Dogsnob

        Hi Mol. And now you’ve got that off your chest, how about you answer the question?

        • dalai guevara

          Yes Dogsnob, what is it doing to our nation?
          I will tell you:

          – my window cleaner cleans my windows
          – my gardener cuts my lawn
          – my cleaners use the hoover I provide for them
          – when my plumbing leaks, they mend it
          – my kids are looked after by them
          – my dinner is cooked by them most of the time
          – then, they have built my car
          – when I feel like culture, they play the piano for me

          Can I rely on you doing that for me? Call me for a job. Will you do that?

          • dalai guevara

            Does that mean you cannot be bothered?
            Lightweight

          • Dogsnob

            You are obviously much more privileged than I am. I cannot afford a window cleaner or a gardener or a cleaner. All done by myself in my free time afer work.
            My car was built in Japan 15 years ago. Dinner is sarnies. Culture? Piano?
            As far as the scalpel wielding goes: I have paid into the system for and unbroken 39 years and I have to wait in the same queue as anyone – yes, since the July 2012 directive to all GPs – who walks into any surgery in the land. Questions must not be asked, illegal or not.
            (Dig out last week’s Panorama)

            So I’m glad that you are enjoying the cruise being pampered by all this imported cheap labour. Enjoy it fully now though, cos it ain’t gonna last long.

            • dalai guevara

              You know that gas prices are going up again, don’t you? Here’s the plan:
              the PM wants to ‘spread the privilege’, stop us from buying gas here, make us buy shares in Centrica instead, pocket the difference and move to the Caribbean whilst less privileged move here and fill our spots. It’s a full circle strategy to evenly spread wealth across the globe. He is a clever chap and should be knighted at the earliest convenience.

              • Dogsnob

                Gissa shout when the creative juices have stopped flowing and you want to talk properly.

                • dalai guevara

                  Ok mate: here you go.
                  I want to see private profiteering stop in areas where competition cannot be expected. In the UK, that would apply to Public Transport outside London, Rail, Energy, Water, Banking.

                  Is that enough to get your juices flowing?

                • Dogsnob

                  We seem to be flying around at tangents here but on this tangent I think we are together. The much-vaunted beneficent hand of the market has been proven in successive aborted schemes, to be fallible.
                  We need markets and we need also to grow up and realise that there are certain areas in which they do not provide.

                  Amen?

                • dalai guevara

                  Yes markets where a market is possible, public ownership – perhaps run by a former FTSE-listed CEO, just like Deutsche Bahn – where it is not.

          • Trofim

            my window cleaner cleans my windows
            – my gardener cuts my lawn
            – my cleaners use the hoover I provide for them
            – when my plumbing leaks, they mend it
            – my kids are looked after by them
            – my dinner is cooked by them most of the time

            Christ! Can you do anything for yourself? Middle class, obviously. I suppose you don’t even grow your own spuds?

          • Trofim

            my window cleaner cleans my windows
            – my gardener cuts my lawn
            – my cleaners use the hoover I provide for them
            – when my plumbing leaks, they mend it
            – my kids are looked after by them
            – my dinner is cooked by them most of the time

            Christ! Can you do anything for yourself? Middle class, obviously. I suppose you don’t even grow your own spuds?

            • dalai guevara

              Plums, apples, various berries, tomatoes (rubbish this year), cucumber. Spuds are from Aldi, 39p a bag.
              Why do a job you hate for £10/hr when you can do a job you love for say 50.

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