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8 October 2012

7:01 PM

8 October 2012

7:01 PM

Interesting comments from Ruth Davidson, the chairthing of the Scottish Conservative Party, about her fellow countrymen. Only twelve per cent of Scots, she says, contribute more to the exchequer than they take out in the form of benefits. “The rest lie around on filthy sofas in subsidised homes, watching daytime television while farting, mainlining heroin and stuffing their sad grey faces with pies full of regurgitated sheep gizzards and Windolene.” Actually, I paraphrase a bit there. She didn’t say all that stuff. She just said almost nine out of ten Scots take more in benefits than they generate in wealth. This is, she says, shocking, and the Scots have too great a sense of entitlement.

Well, that should cost them their last remaining MP north of the border, I’d guess. But there’s no great evidence that the wealthy twelve per cent of Scots resent this burden, is there? Or maybe there is and I’ve missed it.

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  • rndtechnologies786

    Thought is nice.

  • Fraziel

    We now know of course that she completely fiddled the figures to a ridiculous level and that even were we to accept her numbers they are almost identical to England. And Eddie, I agree to an extent with your comments on immigration but London, Northern ireland and Wales all get more money per head than Scotland ( i do have the exact figures should you want them). London has almost twice the population of Scotland so does that mean we Scots subsidise it?

  • Nick Brown

    I think that Alex Salmond has played an absolute blinder throughout. He has deliberately and consistently set out to make himself and his party so obnoxious that a far larger portion of the English populace than was previously the case are prepared to say “Oh, sod ’em – if they want independence they can have it”. The man is a genius. He has succeeded in switching people’s focus from the real and very grave constitutional implications of Scottish secession and instead to persuade them that Scotland is a whingeing, whining region full of bitter and twisted halfwits of whom we should be well rid. I salute him. Having said this, I am not sure he has fully thought through his eligibility criteria for a referendum. I agree with your correspondent that it is entirely wrong that a native Scot who is currently living outside the country should be deprived of a vote, whilst a Lithuanian waitress in a pub in Auchtermuchty should be enfranchised. I suggest that this issue may come back and bite him on his unattractive, if considerable, bum.

  • Eli

    When will the 12% wealth creators resent supporting everyone else? When they become the 5%, or the 1%? I know that taxation has become patriotic, and respecting the unemployed, government worker unions, the uneducable, the intolerant, the poor and their humble government administrators is Big Society, but at a certain threshold, I would choose another patria and a Smaller Society to support.
    When a political party represents the right of citizens to be utterly indifferent to the lifestyle, plight, race, religion, sex life, children, age, food and health of the voters next door or around the country (provided they don’t interfere with me), when it does not dragoon me to take up the white man’s burden for favored mobs, I will vote for it. The Tories and the Republicans hold the best hope for indifference, but they must stop the lip-service compassion. I am in search of a homeland where I can support myself and my dependents and contribute to the coffers of a government which defends and respects my ability to continue doing so.

  • Anncalba

    My husband’s ancestry is Scots, his elder brother was born in Scotland, but he was born in Carlisle. My background is Anglo-Saxon, agricultural labourers from SE England, but thanks to Hitler I was born in Glasgow, but raised in London. Thus, according to our passports, I am Scots and he is English. The Genes and the family history say otherwise. We have been living in Scotland for the last 8 years. We will both have th right to vote in any referendum, but so will foreign students at Scottish Universities who will have left the country long before any long term effects of possible Scottish independence are felt. Any vote for the break up of the UK should surely be UK wide? (and I love Scotch pies!).

  • John Lea

    Rod – I think her ‘12% point’ was about the discrepancy between those who create wealth (i.e. private enterprise and business people) and those who either work for the
    state or live off it, which is a slightly different point. It must be roughly the same down in England I should have thought (exempting London of course).

    Eddie – I’m Scottish but your comments made me laugh!

  • Bearsiebob

    Not one of your most coherent observations, Rod.

    • rod liddle

      Christ on a bike, you want coherence now.

  • bob8930

    Only twelve per cent of Scots contribute more to the exchequer than they take out in the form of benefits…which is now 12 % more Scots who will now vote Tory…

  • Baron

    but the girl’s right, and more to the point, the nine out of ten together with the same bunch south of the border are not only farting, mainlining heroin and whatever, they also have a vote, and it’s that vote that nourishes the entitlement culture, calls for higher taxes, more borrowings, gives the Red Ed the lead, will eventually bankrupt us all.

    BTW, the pies these characters are supposed to be munching are called haggis, they are delicious eaten either on their own or with streaks of bacon, Heinz beans, brown or preferably rye bread, one of Baron’s favorites if complimented with more than a drop of a single malt.

    • William Reid Boyd

      Bridies surely? We had them for tea in my mid ’50s Moffat prep school with baked bean and they were brilliant. Another culinary delicacy esteemed above all were spam fritters.

    • Eddie

      Oh yuck I hate haggis! And it’s so cruel to hunt them too – I hear they’re endangered in some areas now!
      But Baron – if you like haggis, then you’d find a lot of southern European peasant fare offal-ly good: the soup in Greece they eat at Easter, complete with haggis-like sausage floating in it like a turd (made from lamb’s intestines).
      Enjoy!
      If we ever hunt and kill a unicorn, you can have the inside bits and I can have the outer. Deal?

  • Robert Taggart

    Good on Ruthy. The Scottish Tories have next to nothing to lose – so they may as well say it as it is. Also, if this has the desired effect – a majority vote for independence – Sainthood beckons for her – in England !

  • Eddie

    Scottish people often remind me of Africans – blaming every bad thing on the English, maintaining a perpetual sense of victimhood to claim yet more charity/subsidy, and in return for it, hating those who give to them and gnawing on the hand that feeds, moaning and whingeing at the meanness of this gesture. Their food is just as bad too – though I don’t think Alex Salmond have four wives, and I’m not sure he has a great sense of rhythm too (every track he chose on Desert Island discs was a Scots nationalist dirge).
    What amazes me is that more Scots don’t vote Tory: for a start, traditionally they believed in Calvinist frugal prudence on the spending front (or they’re ‘as tight as a haggis’s hole’ to use the parlance), and also a great many have always been as bigoted as any home counties pearl and twinset lady or hang-em-and-flog-em golf club bore – in fact, the biggest racists and sexists and homophobes and bigots were often to be found in northern and Scottish working men’s clubs (even the police came second to that lot!) The SNP is full of racists – which is logical really because its raison d’etre is racism against the English.
    The SNP has somehow convinced many naturally Tory Scots that they should vote for the extreme leftwing SNP, with its English-hating and reliance of fabricated history and dodgy sums. I simply can’t believe that most Scots really support socialist policies which would make them poorer.
    Scotland gets 10% more funding per head than England or Wales. That has to stop, to make the situation fair and just to all. But let’s face it: the Barnett formula is simply a bribe extracted by Scots nationalists in the 70s, and they dunnae want to be fair or just…

    • bob8930

      What utter nonsense. Go back to sleep.

      • Eddie

        Well thank you for that sparkling Caladonian critique, bob my old cock. Were you already asleep when you wrote it? Or perhaps bevvied up on buckfest?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      ‘in fact, the biggest racists and sexists and homophobes and bigots were often to be found in northern and Scottish working men’s clubs’
      While I have no doubt that what you say is true and borne of much experience I wonder if you have stuck around enough for more? Without doubt, compared to the average junior minister, MP or ranking civil servant, the political discussion to be had in these places is far more cogent, concise and accurate, grounded as it usually is in hard won experience not groupthink sampling.
      So, yes, they are all easy target racist etc etc etc but there is another side.

      • Eddie

        Actually, I only went to such places 3 times when I was in a band while at The University of Oop North…
        I just always smile wryly when the self-same people now want to lecture the world about the evils or racism and homophobia. These working class union types were and are bullies – back in the day, that bullying was against anyone dark of skin or gay of cock. And it really was without intelligenc, compassion or any culture I idenity with – but then my parents weren’t working clahSSSS and I wasn’t brought up in a pie-mining village, so I would – with my well-spoken southern accent – have been subject to class prejudice from the off if I’d engaged these northern working men in conversation.
        No doubt some – once they stopped parroting what they union had brainwashed them with – would have offered interesting conversation: but maybe in another context? Probably, the old working clas union-style bullying and hectoring of any individualist who dared to challenge their prejudices would have kicked in: it always does with Labour supporters in my experience.
        I agree with your views on MPs, civil servants and the rest: lethal injections are too good for these dullards.

        • Stuart Eels

          Well spoken southern accent, um, pity they didn’t teach you to spell.

          • Eddie

            No – I taught them who to spell, sonny!
            Perhaps when you get a dictionary for Christmas (or is it Eid in Snotland?) you can look up the word ‘typo’ and thus learn that if someone writers ‘intelligenc’ and not ‘intelligence’ then only the thickest of the thick would call that an orthographical error made through ignorance of correct spelling.
            But how ironic eh that it is always the Grauniad readers who, finding themselves unable to engage in intelligent debate to rebut claims made by their critics, immediately focus on one little typo, somehow thinking that will mean they’ll win the argument. Errr it doesn’t and you won’t. And have you read The Guardian anyway? The typos, spelling errors and bad grammar examples run into three, maybe four, figures per edition.
            My point was that those so-called ‘liberal’ leftie types oop north and in Scorrrrrtland are often the most bigoted buggers ever, and will immediately treat you with racist contempt if you have the misfortune (in their double-visioned buckfest-bloodshot eyes) to speak Standard English, or sound as though you’re from anywhere south of Sheffield.

            • Stuart Eels

              I make typo errors myself pal, have never read The Guardian in my life and I am English, so you got all that wrong as well being unpeasant to the Scots and all the English north of Sheffield you fool. I pity your wife having to put up with a load of bile lke you.

              • Eddie

                Calm down, dear…
                By the way, what is an ‘Ike’?
                Who taught you how to spell eh? Rad C Nesbitt?
                I am not being ‘unpleasant to the Scots and all the English north of Sheffield’ at all, idiot – merely stating that working men’s clubs there were full of the biggest bigots and racists I have ever met – in fact. south Yorkshire police came second to them in terms of being racist and gay-hating, which is quite some achievement.
                I have lived there, sonny.
                And I can assure you that an English accent will make you a victim of racism on Scotland – because that racism is allowed, eh?

                • Stuart Eels

                  Eddie
                  You really are an halfwit, who should know by now that I am English and proud to be English, it seems you can’t concentrate from one part of the comments area to the next. You are doing very well proving yourself to be the biggest bigot and racist commenting here.
                  I suppose that your continued comments about Scotland aren’t racist because they are Scots? You seem to have lived all over the British Isles judging by your comments “down here in Wales,” why do you feel the need to impress on people that “I have lived there sonny.”
                  I don’t believe you’ve lived anywhere except your mum’s house and that’s why you are sending your comments at all hours of the day, Straight from school to the computer in your bedroom and away you go spewing your hatred left right and centre. Please do grow up, I bet the framed, signed photo of Steve Uncles stares down on you as you plod along with racist scumbag comments.

                • Eddie

                  Why call me a racist? Ah yes, because I state a facts about Scots nationalists being racist. Errr….
                  Calling me a racist shows you to be the twerp you were so obviously born to be.
                  And saying something does NOT make it true, twat-chops. And I do not have to defend myself against some innumerate numpty on here either.
                  Bye bye, loser. Good luck with your GCSEs eh.

                • Stuart Eels

                  You are quite a comedy act in your own mind buddy, you small minded racist rants are spread all over these comments for all to see, I can call you anything I like, I just happen to like to call you a slimy racist juvenile halfwit, giving you any more praise would only make you a giant in your own lunch time.

                • Eddie

                  Stuart Eels is a Racist!
                  There, I said it, so it’s true!
                  I do not engage in racist rants, you fuckwitted twat-faced bigoted retard. It is tossers like you who have devalued the word ‘racist’ so that now it means nothing really because idiots like you accuse everyon who does not share you daft pc thinking and turning a blind eye to black people causing crime a WAYCIST!
                  Morons like you cause race riots in which people die.
                  A FACT CANNOT BE RACIST, twerp!
                  Most muggers are black. Fact. That is not an opinion so cannot be racist.
                  Try doing an English GCSE – then you could learn the difference between a fact and an opinion, sonny.

                • Stuart Eels

                  If an halfwit like you wants to call me racist it makes difference to me, that’s like being accused of being a murderer by Ian Brady or Rose West, crawl back under whatever stone you were residing under.

                • Eddie

                  Racist scum!
                  Any insult from you is a compliment – like being called a racist by Himmler.
                  See, we all can make silly exaggerated lie-dreched statements.
                  I repeat a fact AND A FACT CANNOT BE RACIST:
                  In areas with lots of black people there is lots of mugging (and most muggers arrested, charged and convicted are blacks, as are most who commit knife and gun crime); in areas where there are very few black people, there is hardly any mugging at all.
                  Now, no emotional diarrhoea your sanctinonious pompous little gob has vomited and dribbled onto this message board in any way makes that fact less of a fact – and that fact is in no way racist. BECAUSE ONLY AN OPINION CAN BE RACIST.
                  Jeez, why are some people so damn THICK!

  • Daniel Maris

    I think, if nothing else, independence for Scotland will be a very interesting social experiment. My money would be on Scotland prospering once they take responsibility for their affairs. This is partly because they have huge natural resources in relation to their population, partly because historically they are a very industrious people who have the energy to succeed and partly because I think independence will just give it that edge in all sorts of ways e.g. tourism, interaction with Scandinavia.

    That said, of course Scotland won’t be truly independent, just a constituent part of the EU.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkEMacLachlan Mark MacLachlan

    Supposedly only 12% of Scottish homes contribute to economy. Ruth’s isn’t one of them.http://www.scotlandsaysyes.com/2012/10/just-12-of-scottish-homes-contribute-to.html

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Don’t knock the cuisine Rod until you’ve tried it. Get yourself to a chippy and ask for a scotch pie. The one that they keep special for English gastronauts that has been fried, cooled, refried and cooled repeatedly for at least a week. They always keep one special for us. Eat before going to a game and enjoy the after game internal entertainment.
    I recommend one near Celtic Park and Greenock (Morton) and Motherwell are worth a try especially if you want to lose weight and quickly.
    Then complain about the cuisine.

    • sir_graphus

      I propose the pies at Hampden Park in the early 90s to be the worst pies I’ve ever had, anywhere in the world.

      • Eddie

        Well compared to the monstrosity of vomit-inducing snot that is an egg McMuffin, even a gristly little pie filled with minced pig noses and the scrapings from the armpits whishky-dribbling Glasgeee pissheads sounds appealing…
        The thing I don’t know is this: were things like the wondrous Scotch egg invented by the English anyway – like most of the images, symbols and traditions of Scottishness? Really, in the 18th century none of this Scotty scam existed: that hack Walter Scott and the Victorian upper classes in England just made most of it up! It’s all as fabricated as Star Trek! Scotland was never a nation really and the ‘Scots’ were actually the Irish from the west. Genetically there is no real difference between the Scots, English and Welsh either, according to DNA testing.
        I would not say the above on a rainy drunken night in Goven, of course (ie any day of the week)… Which is just as well, because I never intend to go there!

        • bob8930

          It’s GOVAN you moron. Do you like to insult people professionally or is it just a hobby?

          • Stuart Eels

            He strikes me as an halfwit, much like Scotland’s own De Cavalier, who I had expected to make an appearance by now with his own brand of quality.
            Why we can’t have a civilised debate about the break up of the UK I don’t know. We all have our interests that will still be there afterwards and we will all have family members scattered throughout the old UK.
            Lets just get on with it.

            • Eddie

              A ‘civilised debate’ eh?
              Well, because idiots like you immediately attempt to brand anyone who disagrees with your SNP opinion a BNP member and a Sun reader maybe.
              Typical ill-thought-out leftie position and predictable insults whenever someone has an opinion which is not yours: are you a hypocrite socialist academic perhaps or a loonie lefties teacher trainer?
              ‘Do you want Scotland to stop being a parasite subsidised by England and start being a parasite leeching off the European Union?’ – that should be the referendum question because it bulges with the truth.
              Independence? Don’t make me laugh! Scotland is not and will not be independent, even if its idiot Glasgee navvies manage to rig the vote that way (I believe over 70% of a country should vote in favour for something that crucial anyway for it to go ahead; and the English and Welsh should also have a vote in fairness – though that is more likely to create an EU parasite Scotland, as they’d chuck you out of the union maybe!)
              If Scotland had been independent over the last 200 years it’d resemble Albania mate – and it was the English who bailed out your bankrupt Bank of Scotland. Without English money you’d be in the same state as Ireland, in hock to the EU for the rest of the century.
              Are all Scots utter fantasists? Seems so – must be all that buckfest eh…

          • Eddie

            Oh please forgive me for spelling the name of some shithole wrongly – though quite possibly I share my inability to spell the name correctly with the drunken illiterates who live there (and I use the word ‘live’ loosely).
            Next time I’ll just call it ‘that Scottish shithole near Glasgow’ – I am sure people will know where I mean (If I just said ‘That Scottish shithole’ there could be so many options of course…Alex Salmond for one).
            I think Alex Salmond could well be a pisshead too – he certainly seems to be getting rather deluded and seeing double (or triple or more) when yacking about his projections for Scottish wealth post-indepence. Or maybe he just left off the minus sign?

        • edlancey

          Star Trek is made up ?

  • Kevin

    To be an MSP requires no qualifications, involves no personal liability for unsatisfactory goods or professional negligence, and your income is paid by the state.

    What brass neck.

  • Jez

    Romney had a similar situation two weeks ago, except his was a lower percentage but a far higher number of people he alienated.
    I thought that was the idea anyway?
    Pay them peanuts to live in their sh*t whilst at the same time extracting all of their Oil/Gas revenues and drive about in big cars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ThormodMorrisson Páll Thormod Morrisson

    What else can we expect from Davidson? Out of touch and out of line. The only reason she is given airtime at all is because she belongs to the Tory rabble.

  • William Reid Boyd

    Much enjoyed ‘chairthing’ and the remark of some wit I heard on the radio today who said that Scotland had more pandas than Tory voters.

    • Whyshouldihavetoregister

      You’re confusing wit with recycling.

      • Whyshouldihavetoregister

        And it’s ‘Tory MPs,’ ya numpty.

        • William Reid Boyd

          Humza Yousaf in a Huff blog http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/humza-yousaf/scottish-independence-scotland-doesnt-need-cameron_b_1196576.html is the earliest I can find.Don’t know when it might have have made the Coffee House.

          The innovative bit was extending it to Tory voters in general. Those of us with a mathematical bent as one rather is will readily deduce that Ruth is in a minority of precisely one thereby.

          • Wilhelm

            ” Humza Yousaf ”

            Hmm, a disturbing name, makes independence a bit pointless if islam is going to hold the whip hand.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

            • William Reid Boyd

              According to Wikipedia, George Galloway is another one.

              He would make a great Second Panda if they ever somehow got in.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1NIuCt72bU

              • Wilhelm

                Vomit inducing, watching that is a bit like the rodeo, see how long you can last for. I lasted 3 seconds before switching it off.

                • William Reid Boyd

                  Yes. He totally blighted the refined and elegant ambience of “Big Brother”. I so totally hate it when people do that.

                  Just totally out of place and not fit for purpose. I would be quite tempted to compare him to Jimmy Savile if it wasn’t for Maggie Thatcher who must have known.

    • Jim

      “Scotland had more pandas than Tory voters”
      God, is that one still going? Noah’s younger than that one

  • Wilhelm

    Politicians are very brave when it comes to slagging off the indigenous white population and that’s all well and good. Yet they are strangely silent when it comes to criticising blacks and muslims. Funny that isn’t it ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M416c-eQuWg

    • Robert Taggart

      Indeed, but – are Scots not Aliens ? – to us English !

    • Eddie

      Yep, and don’t forget that in Scotland and Wales, ethnic minorities are only around 3% or less of the population; compare that to England – or at least her citiies, which are crime-ridden and erupt in race riots: I think London is 40% non-white now?
      For all Salmond’s and the SNP’s talk of equality, I doubt many of their voters would like to see their cities 40% black and Asian. And of course, if they insulted black and Asian people in the manner they insult English people, then they could be arrested under the Race Relations Act.
      And most who live in the borders and the highlands have no time to Salmond’s Sassenach-hating gang either.

      • Daniel Maris

        Yes, there’s never been any crime or rioting in Glasgow has there…ermm…

        • Wilhelm

          Maris

          Yes, you’re correct, there was no rioting in Glasgow, What is interesting to note about the Race Riots last year was not that they took place but where they did not take place, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Cumbria, Cornwall, Devon. Areas where there is no large black populations. Check out these photos

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215208/Jailed-Gangsters-shot-police-officers-force-helicopter-luring-scene-firebombing-pub-summer-riots.html

          • Daniel Maris

            Since you have no knowledge of history I will have to educate you. Let’s start here:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_George_Square

            • Eddie

              Irrelevant, Daniel. Wilhelm referred to the race riots in English cities last year – cities which are largely black (though shite scum in Manchester aped the blacks of London when they saw them getting away with looting!).
              The point is, in Scotland and here in Wales, ethnic minorities are less than 3%. That is enough to have good Indian restuarants and buffets, plus some healthcare workers and foreign students – but without the endemic street crime and mugging (mostly done by blacks) or the rioting (ditto) or much of the extremist Islamic nonsense you get in English cities now. Really, if you have no black people then you have almost no mugging – just a few druggies mug here, and rarely. It’s so common in London it’s not even worth calling the coppers – who seem to busy arresting teenagers who say ‘poo’ and ‘willy’ on Facebook these days anyway, or investigating dead celebrities for screwing up-for-it groupies with very fertile imaginations (and an eye on the compo and fame).
              Many Englishmen retreat to Wales or Scotland to get away from multiculturalist invasion of their English home cities – and also got to Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Ergo, what we have witnessed is not just immigration – and certainly not well-managed immigration – but a colonialist takeover of our English cities by people unwilling to adapt to our ways and demanding that we adapt to theirs. It is neither left wing or righ wing to state that: merely to describe events and reality.
              I was born and brought up near London and lived their for years, but unless I get very rich and can afford to live in a gated apartment clock in a non-black area, there is no way I’d live there again.

              • Eddie

                apartment BLOCK of course…unless I could find a very big clock…

              • Barfordian

                “Really, if you have no black people then you have almost no mugging …”

                So that I can get this right, Eddie, are you saying that black people, by virtue of being black, are more likely to be muggers that non-black people? 
                Or are you saying something different while just strongly suggesting this?

                • Eddie

                  Read what I said.
                  I state a fact: that most muggers are black, as everyone knows but not many have the balls to say.
                  In places where there are not many black people, there is hardly any mugging; in very black areas (not Chinese or Jewish areas, but black areas) there is always a lot of mugging.
                  I said nothing about why that would be the case – merely stated what I have observed having lived in inner city London and the suburbs and the provinces. Where I live there are hardly any black people and almost no mugging; where I lived in south and north London, mugging was endemic, an accepted fact of life, and usually black on white too, so quite possibly a racist crime.
                  Black people are more likely to be muggers than white people, yes.Are you saying that this is not true? If so, evidence please.
                  Y’know, if you want to solve a problem then you have to be honest about it first: no point pretending that the emperor is wearing a lovely suit of non-mugging clothes, innit?

                • Barfordian

                  Well no, it doesn’t take any balls to say that most muggers are black, (and what a strange conceit for you to ascribe ballsiness to yourself for saying it.) 

                  What it does take balls to say, if this is what you really believe, is that most muggers are black because black people, simply because they are black, are more likely to be muggers than non-blacks. But you don’t have the balls to say that, do you Ed? Nah. You just like to be mealy-mouthed about it. You just like to insinuate it while hiding behind your selected “facts”, as if those facts constitute the whole truth and do not pervert the truth. You’re a despicable, foul-mouthed weasel. And that’s a fact.

                • Eddie

                  Gosh you are a twerp! You state something, accuse me of saying it, then say I haven’t got the balls to say it. YOu are a racist, in fact, because you are accusing me of racism for just stating the fact that most muggers are black – which most people (ie all at the BBC, all newspapers, all education institutions) haven’t got the balls to say.
                  There is NO racism whatsoever in what I say: I can say that most Islamic terrorists are south Asian heritage; I can say that statistically most sex offenders are white in Britain; and I can also say most muggers are black, because you see, it happens to be true; some think the crime was imported from the West Indies – I as you know offered no explanation of why, just stated the facts, and a FACT CANNOT BE RACIST, dumbo.
                  You Barf are talking utter bollocks – and like all sanctimonious mealy-mouthed politically correct liars who cannot bear it when others speak the facts, think you have the right to brand people as racist – as though you had the moral high ground or tyhe intelligence and experience to do that!
                  I do have the balls to say most muggers are black when most people like you are in denial and refuse to listen to the facts; I also have thne balls to call you a snivelling ignorant little cunt. So there!
                  Lived in London, have we? Talking to many black people? I think not – because the professional and educated black people I know would call you a cunt too – and one of the morons responsible for the politically correct reluctance to tackle the criminality of black youth. They hate you, chum. Just so you know, whitie.

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  How goes the weather in Airstrip One?

              • eric45

                I don’t mean to interject , but the 3% you keep quoting is based on the 2001 census which is the year mass immigration began in Scotland.

                Today Glasgow isn’t that much different than any other major English city at around 10% ethnic minority. There is even a well known ghetto in the south side. However, there are fewer Africans, but that is rapidly changing too.

                The population is rising at the rate of 1% annually, half are from England (and settling in the rural area’s)) and the other half from the third world (cramming into the cities – Glasgow,Dundee,Aberdeen and Edinburgh).
                For those against mass immigration , it is a rather depressing picture.

                • Eddie

                  Yes, I dare say that’s the case – but the whole-Scotland or all-Wales figure is likley to be around 3%, non?
                  Glasgow’s 10% ethnic quotient is a pipe dream for many in England. I used to live in an area of London where the only shop on the street neaby thatb wasn’t some halal joint, Turkish men’s social club, or Asian/African run rip-off covenience store, was Sainsburys.
                  My last year in London involved working in a part of posh West London. But not far from there was Southall – which is, wait for it, 90% ethnic ‘minority’ – yep, only 10% of faces are white there.
                  10% is nothing! London as a whole is 40% now I believe, and the primary schools are apparently over 50% ethnic now, due to our insane policy of allowing anyone from Africa and Asian to come here, not to mention millions from the EU (incl a good many of the Africans/Asians who’ve sneaked into Spain, Italy and Greece), plus of course the gypsies from the East…
                  Of course, politicians in their nice big houses in the posh areas, don’t have to put up with the massive crap that this causes – but those who have to live in pokey holes because that’ll all they can afford to rent (could never buy of course, not now – in the 1970s, yeah) and who have to compete for jobs and have lower wages because of this influx, then wait at hospitals because foreigners are being treated for free (and getting housing benefit and the rest). And as for council housing, forget it! That all goes to the immigrants with children; native British people whose parents and grandparents paid tax for decades, struggled in poverty and fought for this country are treated like SCUM.
                  This opinion is one held by people I know of all political colours – Labour voteres by the million too. It is not some BNP stereotype bigotry because it is NOT bigotry – it is the recognition that our socalled leaders have screwed us and betrayed the interested of ordinary British people.

            • Eddie

              Irrelevant, Daniel. Wilhelm referred to the race riots in English cities last year – cities which are largely black (though shite scum in Manchester aped the blacks of London when they saw them getting away with looting!).
              The point is, in Scotland and here in Wales, ethnic minorities are less than 3%. That is enough to have good Indian restuarants and buffets, plus some healthcare workers and foreign students – but without the endemic street crime and mugging (mostly done by blacks) or the rioting (ditto) or much of the extremist Islamic nonsense you get in English cities now. Really, if you have no black people then you have almost no mugging – just a few druggies mug here, and rarely. It’s so common in London it’s not even worth calling the coppers – who seem to busy arresting teenagers who say ‘poo’ and ‘willy’ on Facebook these days anyway, or investigating dead celebrities for screwing up-for-it groupies with very fertile imaginations (and an eye on the compo and fame).
              Many Englishmen retreat to Wales or Scotland to get away from multiculturalist invasion of their English home cities – and also got to Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Ergo, what we have witnessed is not just immigration – and certainly not well-managed immigration – but a colonialist takeover of our English cities by people unwilling to adapt to our ways and demanding that we adapt to theirs. It is neither left wing or righ wing to state that: merely to describe events and reality.
              I was born and brought up near London and lived their for years, but unless I get very rich and can afford to live in a gated apartment clock in a non-black area, there is no way I’d live there again.

  • Murray elder

    I don’t belieeeeve it.
    Just when David and all the other etonians in the cabinet were convincing us that they had their finger on the pulse. That they could empathise with old people who worked all their days. When people who have been made redundant felt the tories were the party for them. When it looked like we had turned the corner and could mount a serious challenge for Glasgow, North Lanarkshire, and South Lanarkshire councils.
    Along comes the halfwit Mitchell Romney/Ruth Davidson and destroys all the good, I and many others have done.

  • FF42

    I am pretty sure Ruth Davidson is herself not among the mythical 12%

    • darrener

      “To be honest I don’t know if I fall into the 12 per cent or not.” Ruth Davidson. What a numpty!

      • FF42

        As far as I know, her economic existence is entirely funded by the taxpayer through her salary and expenses as MSP. The money is in addition to services in kind, eg public healthcare..

  • BraveFart

    I am a Scot — one of the 88%. Have you been spying on me? You have given an uncannily and in fact suspiciously accurate description of my lifestyle (apart from the heroin and Windolene, though the latter does admittedly sound like an intriguing possibility). Do you have a problem wi’ that, by the way, pal? Ye can take oor freedom, but ye’ll never take oor benefits!

    • Eddie

      Surely, the question that should be on the referendum in 2015 (?) is this:
      ‘Do you want to go from being a parasite on England’s arse to being a parasite wholly dependent on the European Union?’
      All smaller countries in the EU are in the latter category; Scotland at the moment is in the former, and it is shameful that no Scot politician will admit that or perhaps, y’know, says thank you to the English (and Welsh) for giving Scotland more public funding per head than anywhere else in the UK!
      Talk about bad manners… But maybe it’s a Scots tradition not to say thank you when someone gives you a present? Best ask Tommy Leftwingcriminal Shenanigan, who’s now residing in the nick for bribery naughtiness maybe? Or do they just give you a Glasgow kiss?

      • Stuart Eels

        Eddie
        I do hope you are Welsh, as I would be ashamed of you as a fellow countryman. Please note that the Welsh receive more central government spending per head of population than Scotland, now go and find a disused Badger Set and bury yourself!

        • Eddie

          You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, Mr Eels.
          Scotland receives 10% more spending per head than England or Wales.
          Look it up, sonny – or ask a grown-up to help you.
          As I am British then you are my fellow countryman unfortunately, though your talents would seem to end with the first syllable of that word.

          • Stuart Eels

            I would wager that I know a lot more about than you pal, you are a very unpleasant piece of work who propbably reads the Sun or Star. I suggest that if you possess half a brain cell you go to HM Treasury and look it up. I am English and I sincerely hope you are Welsh in which case that makes you no fellow countryman of mine, phew!

            • Eddie

              Oh brilliant debating technique! Accuse anyone who systematically outargues you and destroys your silly argument of reading the Sun and the Star. What a prat! (Though the SNP have their equivalent of little Scotlander nationalist press, which you probably agree with).
              Learn some maths, matey. Read some facts – rather than silly pro-SNP propaganda.
              Ever heard of the Barnett Formula, eh? Why was that introduced eh? Oh yeah, to bribe Scotland in the mate 70s so the Scots nats would support Labour and not demand a referendum – it ensures 10% more spending per head in Scotland.
              How do you know I am not English too, eh? Though glad you are so relieved (maybe falsely) that I am no felow countryman of yours – though you seem happy enough being a fellow of criminals, paedophile and Islamic terrorists. What happened to all this diversity you so love then? Or does that not include diversity of opinion eh?

              • Stuart Eels

                You’ve not outargued anyone you fathead, where are you getting your figures from? oh sorry your haven’t given any, probably don’t know how to access them. You think you know how insult people but never won any agruements just as you are losing this one.
                Give you a clue, The Goschen Formula 1888 to 1959, Lord Barnett, The Treasury and The House of Commons Library. Leave the task of campaigning for an English Parliament to real men and women are go play with your EDL/BNP buddies, you juvenile halfwit you

                • Eddie

                  Yes, sonny. Go back to reading The Morning Star and the SNP fave: English People are Bastards Monthly’.
                  Zzzzzz….
                  Typical of thick twerps to accuse anyone who you disagree with of being an EDL/BNP member and reading the Sun and the Star.
                  Are you under sixteen years old perhaps?
                  Good luck in your GCSEs then – I am sure you’ll get 11 A stars (lots of thickos do). And careful with all that self-abuse – you might break it!
                  Wanker.

                • Stuart Eels

                  How Good to see those “firebrands” Robert Taggart and Eddie the bigot operating together. Over the years not once has Robert Taggat given a straight answer to any question on any blog site and Eddie the bigot thinks this English hating republican is his friend, hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Give me some figures Eddie, I’m sure by now you’ve got some, you must have some by now all the pointers I’ve given you and the time. Having never read it but having read proper newspapers all my adult life I think The Morning Star went under some years ago, I stand ready to be corrected by anyone brighter than you, which I suppose is 99.9% of the population.
                  Sorry to disappoint you Eddie the bigot, I have no GCSEs all, I’m old enough to have real O and A levels. I really do think you should jack in the Spectator and migrate to twitter with all the other trolls if your infantile final comments are the best you can manage or the Primary School Playground more suited to your talents

                • Eddie

                  Master Eels, you seem not to realise the sweet irony in your calling me Eddie the bigot.
                  It is you matey who are the bigot in getting hysterical when someone points out the fact (and a fact cannot be racist) that in areas where there are no black people, there is no mugging.
                  Your attitude of attempting to claim the moral high ground and call anyone who says something on our diverse society that does not mirror your own prejudices rather paints you as the bigot because you do not want to tolerate others or let them express their opinions: you do not want diversity of opinion, in fact.
                  There a nice little article about sanciomonious sods like you on Rod Liddle’s page.
                  It is not my job to educate you – so please go and look up what proportion of those arrested and charged with street crime are black. Well over half actually, and if one counts those not arrested, I’d say three quarters.
                  And as I said I have lived in very ethnioc areas in London – where mugging is rife and black teens travel from crappy areas like Tottenham to mug (or ‘tax’) white teens in Muswell Hill and Highgate, and where white teenagers can’t go to certain areas for fear of mugging. Most mugging is black on white.
                  The city I live in now is 97% white. No mugging here. Lots fo drunks and slags, and loads of drug problems, but no mugging (except when a junkie is desperate).
                  It is NOT bigoted to state the fact that most muggers are black, and you are an utter fuckwit to object to the stating of such facts.

                • Stuart Eels

                  It’s not me being racist against the Scots, black people or pepole from north of Sheffield as you have already done so hallfwit.

                • Robert Taggart

                  ‘Stued Eels’, stopped behaving like a little Elver !

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