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Government expects to lose EU budget vote

31 October 2012

4:16 PM

31 October 2012

4:16 PM

While the rebel whips are still rounding up Tory MPs to vote against the government on the EU budget motion, which starts in the Commons shortly, a senior government source tells me that they now expect to lose the vote.

David Cameron’s line at Prime Minister’s Questions that ‘at best we would like it cut, at worst frozen, and I’m quite prepared to use the veto if we don’t get a deal that’s good for Britain’ may not have taken the sting out of the rebellion itself, but it might be easier for the government to now argue that losing a vote on an amendment which calls for a cut is less embarrassing when the Prime Minister himself says he would prefer a cut himself.

The real damage may well be to the whips, who appear to have been completely wrong-footed by this amendment.

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  • David Ossitt

    “a senior government source tells me that they now expect to
    lose the vote.”

    Or to be more precise he very much hopes to lose the vote,
    this will give him carte blanche when next negotiating with the evil ones in Brussels.

    How I long to see us out of this European cess-pit.

  • dalai guevara

    Not a big deal – let’s not make it one.

  • In2minds

    “Government expects to lose EU budget vote” – and we all expect Cameron to come back from the EU Budget talks with his tail between his legs!

  • beat_the_bush

    Hopefully those idiots who want to sacrifice this nation because of their inability to get on with “foreigners” in the EU as they see them, will meet a quick end.

    • Colonel Mustard

      It’s not just about “getting on” with them though is it? And it’s not foreigners per se but more a foreign regime. It gets a bit tedious when any dissent is scorned in hyperbolic terms that hint at xenophobia and bigotry when it is more about issues of freedom, sovereignty and controlling our own destiny. No-one in Britain voted for the current situation or its objectives. Those who advocate them would do well to remember that.

  • @PhilKean1

    I trust Cameron’s word as much as I trust the EU

    Oh, of course, Cameron IS the EU.

  • DavidDP

    The effect of this vote on negotiations will be minimal. The effect on the electoral fortunes of the Tories huge. Good old short term thinking rears its head on the right in the context of Europe once again.

    • Coffeehousewall

      Wrong. The Conservative Party’s only hope is if backbenchers take back the party for the conservative majority in the nation.


        Conservatism has always first and foremost been about realism and pragmatism; we leave tilting at windmills to the ideologues of the left.

        Or at least we used to. [sigh] Coincidentally, the party hasn’t won an election since it abandoned that approach……..,

        • Coffeehousewall

          Conservatiism isn’t about pragmatism. That is just an excuse to drift leftwards. Indeed all you are doing is conflating the views of Conservative politicians with the conservative principle. They are not the same. Perhaps Conservative politicians get to stick their heads in the trough by being pragmatic (i.e. having no principles) but that is not the same as conservatism, a set of principles which are rooted in the Christian tradition.

          Do you really believe that what is needed now is to ‘win an election’? The rot set in a long time ago and in this post-democratic era it does not matter at all who wins the election. What is required is a conservative revolution, and the Conservative Party is unlikely to be on the right side.

          • DavidDP

            “That is just an excuse to drift leftwards.”

            No it isn’t. It’s about pursuing goals in a way that results in the best outcome for those goals in the context of disagreement. The results easily be moves to the right as moves to the left, dependent on who is in power and practicing it.

            Of course, purists that want all or nothing prefer nothing if they can’t get it all, but one wonders how that advances their cause.

  • Mr L

    It would be good to think that this country’s relations with the EU are approaching a tipping point, after which even the Europhiles in Whitehall and the BBC will realise the game is up.
    As to the EU budget, just refuse to pay. What can they do to us?

    • EJ

      Why oh why does the Spectator keep posting these pieces on what the H2B needs to do in order to twist / spin / lie his way out of getting nailed for the unprincipled liar that he is? Is the Spectator Cameron’s PR machine? This is supposed to be a site that advocates some semblance of conservatism – and as such it should be tearing Cameron to pieces over this (and all his other snakery).

      • bloughmee

        The Speccie teenagers conservative?


        You must be joking.

        • EJ

          I guess you’re right. I used to enjoy this site. Now I just find myself irritated by the wide-eyed pro-Cameron insider tittle tattle. Why do I post here? Because I don’t think Cameron should be allowed to get away with selling us down the river – and I don’t think the Spectator should be allowed to get away with supporting him while he does it. I’m probably just the kind of person they’d be utterly contemptuous of. And I rather like that.

          Oh and the high quality postings (bar telemacharse and chums) reassure me that I’m not alone in seeing this farce for exactly what it is.

    • dalai guevara

      Regulate your gambling habit? I cannot wait.

  • Heartless etc.,

    Do please stop showing the H2B against our National Flag!

    You insult the many who worked – and died – for the freedoms that the repugnant H2B and his chums in the EUSSR value not at all.

    • bloughmee

      If that lump had any sense of place, he’d reach back behind and reposition that silly EU flag to a spot immediately behind the national flag, rather than beside or in front of it.

    • Fergus Pickering

      I think you mean repellent. Repugnant means ‘resisting’ which is what you want him to do. Who are Cameron’s chums in the EU? Rumpy-pumpy? Barroso?, The Baroness? He doesn’t seem to get on with any of them. But you must know better. Tell us please. I would have thought that this vote is not at all damaging to Cameron. Also, you can’t have it both ways. If he ‘s an opportunist without principles (I wish!) then he will bend with the prevailing wind and do what I think you want him to. Actually you mean he has principles to which you do not subscribe. And neither do I, but this name-calling is childish. Who worked and died for what freedoms? I think your patriotism is just the last refuge of the scoundrel, as Doctor Johnson thought. Now there’s an Englishman I respect.

      • foxoles

        You are completely wrong:


        Adjective:Extremely distasteful; unacceptable.

        In conflict with; incompatible with.Synonyms:repulsive – loathsome – abhorrent – repellent – revolting

        repugnant – definition of repugnant

        repugnant adj. 1. Arousing disgust or aversion; offensive or repulsive: morally repugnant behavior. 2. Logic Contradictory; inconsistent.

  • Vulture

    There’s only one way to treat slippery David Cameron : drag him by the bollocks to the chopping block and raise a huge meat cleaver. Then, when he shuts his eyes and squeals ‘I’ll use the veto!’ – bring it crashing down. Tory MPs are slowly learning that lesson. Pray God its not too late.

    • telemachus

      does Dave have any?