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EU budget: full list of Tory rebels

31 October 2012

8:05 PM

31 October 2012

8:05 PM

The Press Association has published its analysis of the division lists, which finds 51 Conservative rebels, along with two tellers. Here is the list of those who voted for a real-terms cut in the EU budget:

Steve Baker
John Baron
Andrew Bingham
Brian Binley
Andrew Bridgen
Aidan Burley
Conor Burns
Douglas Carswell
Bill Cash
Christopher Chope
James Clappison
Tracey Crouch
Philip Davies
David Davis
Nick de Bois
Nadine Dorries
Richard Drax
Zac Goldsmith
James Gray
Chris Heaton-Harris
Gordon Henderson
Adam Holloway
Stewart Jackson
Bernard Jenkin
Chris Kelly
Edward Leigh
Julian Lewis
Jack Lopresti
Karl McCartney
Stephen McPartland
Anne Main
Nigel Mills
David Nuttall
Andrew Percy
Mark Pritchard
Mark Reckless
John Redwood
Simon Reevell
Laurence Robertson
Andrew Rosindell
David Ruffley
Richard Shepherd
Henry Smith
Bob Stewart
Sir Peter Tapsell
Andrew Turner
Martin Vickers
James Wharton
Heather Wheeler
John Whittingdale
Sarah Wollaston

Tellers: Peter Bone and Philip Hollobone

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  • alexsandr

    Nadim Zahawi then. That’s a surprise

  • Bob Hutton

    Maybe this is the Lord’s judgement on Cameron for supporting same-sex marriage.

  • eeore

    I look forward to seeing the self serving banner when I take the kids swimming in Shipley.

  • Baron

    listen up, Baron has said it before, hates to repeat it. Your arm waving one way ot the other is futile. When the voting on whether Britain should stay in or get out of the EU arrives, as it must, the hoi polloi will be so brainwashed by the pro-camp (The CBI, the unions, the MSM….), by the scare of losing the few jobs there still are here, the higher cost of money, the loss of inward investment, the isolation from the closest block of power and stuff that they will go for the former, reluctantly perhaps, but our remaining in the the monstrosity they will endorse.

    Our best cause of action is not to get out, but to convinced as many as possible of the member countries to reshape the Brussels bureaucratic monolith, to turn it into what it should have been in the first place, an economic entity with free movement of goods, capital, labour.

    • Boudicca_Icenii

      Free movement of labour has meant that we are flooded with Eastern Europeans. Spanish immigration is up 85% in the past few months and in 18months time the borders are opened to 20 million or so Rumanians and Bulgarians …. who will also flock to the land of milk and honey to take jobs our own young people should get; claim Child Benefit for non-existent children; social housing, Tax Credits (if they’re working); have their healthcare provided by the NHS and education for any children they brought with them provided courtesy of British taxpayers.
      Free movement of Labour is not sustainable in a union with such disparate standards of living and welfare provision.
      We cannot accommodate millions and millions of EU citizens who all have the right to come here. We need to regain control of our borders and that means leaving the EU.

      • Baron

        Boudicca, my blogging friend, Baron had a chance to spend time recently in one of London’s leading hospitals, as it happens, in a private wing of it, talked alot to the staff. A guy doing a cleaning job paying £20 an hour came from Lithuania. Baron asked those who should know and care why in this job, in virtually every other non-specialist one there were few indigenous British men and women. ‘They don’t last, they fail to turn up when they should, they cannot be relied to do the job well’ was the gist of the answers from people who had no political axe to grind, in fact, would have very much preferred locals.

        and also, you should get around Europe more, Baron goes to Prague often, you would be amazed how strong the English community there is, all employed, mostly in secure jobs in the tertiary sector, not unlike you, the locals are also complaining.

        What do you make of it then?

        • eeore

          Meh… the real reason is that the cleaning has been contracted out, the contractor imports the labour – and probably provides housing – the worker keeps the job – and the accommodation – for a year, at which point they are sacked, and are eligible for full benefits.

          • Baron

            eeore, this may happen, it wasn’t happening in case of the guy Baron talked to, also, this was only one of the three jobs he has here.

            what about the Prague’s business then, you have views on that, you reckon Slavs still hang on trees, have to be taught how to come down, walk, the indigenous Brits are the best ‘to learn them’?

            look, whatever our views on newcomers, Baron dislikes the Brussels set-up probably more than you do, a similar construct put the poorly educated Slav inside, he has no intention repeating the same experience at his advanced age, fears though the electorate is likely to endorse membership. If that were to happen what then? Barricades? Here in Britain? Never, those 70% plus owner occupiers will never take the risk of exposing to damage the only asset as yet untouched by those with a never ending appetite for more taxes to sustain the entitlement culture. So, it’s just some more intense, agonising moaning, is it?

      • Baron

        Boudicca is quite rightly upset … they (the EI migrants) are flocking … to the land of milk and honey.

        You right here except that we could do what other EU countries have done, insist those who come have jobs arranged before they land here, set-up conditions preferring the locals, make the immigrants to qualify for any benefits only after they made some tangible contributions…

        Also, we can cut the generous benefits, cut them for everyone including for the locals, the milk and honey entitlements are partly to blame for the locals not taking the £20 an hour cleaning jobs what with having to work shifts, in a menial job, surrounded by others whose English just about lets them get by…

        Look, Baron knows where you’re coming from, the barbarian though is a realist, he fears that if the great unwashed say yes to the Brussels hydra we are stuck for generations, nothing but Him will help us then, and whether He’ll bother is more than uncertain.

      • eeore

        You know you are not meant to say these things… and for gods sake don’t mention the agents, gangers and middlemen importing people to do jobs that British people are excluded from… or indeed that the immigrants are not subject to any of the restrictions of movement or checks that British people are subject to. It is strange that it is easier to move from Europe to Britain and obtain social housing than it is to move two miles up the road between boroughs.

  • English Man

    I am stunned. Stunned that only 51 Conservative MPs voted not to cut the EU’s budget at a time that when 20% of the British Army is being made redundant for an apparent lack of money.

    This Government should hang.

    • David Lindsay

      Are you? Really? Why?

      There are several parties on the floor of the House of Commons every single one of whose MPs have just voted for such a cut. Why don’t you vote for one them?

    • telemachus

      It shold indeed hang and will
      The hateful Osborne is ruining us

  • Joe

    Thank you for backing the people of the UK, democracy finally working

  • Robert_Eve

    Heroes one and all!!

  • Adrian Drummond

    Rebels? Heroes!

  • Stuart Parr

    All those Tory “rebels” count towards the ConDem majority. They’re part of the problem, not the solution.

  • caress that whip

    Wouldn’t it be more appropriate for you Speccie youngsters to publish the names of all those who voted to give all that extra cash to the EU?

  • Steve t

    Another nail in this disastrous governments coffin , bring on the undertaker ASAP for all our sakes

  • David Lindsay

    This list is as interesting for who is not on it as for who is.

  • Conservative Cactus

    Jacob Rees-Mogg notably absent from that list.

    • English Man

      Very much so. It would appear that an accommodation has been made. How disappointing.

      • David Lindsay

        Why? What else did you expect, and why?

    • jazz6o6

      I think his father was Editor of the Times when all those pro EEC (EU) letters were published purportedly from MPs although they had been written by the IRD at the Foreign Office. William Rees Mogg said he knew nothing about it !?
      Once again if you want to know about William Rees Mogg read Simon Raven. I wouldn’t trust Mogg’s son as far as I could kick him he’s an over educated posturing fool.

  • jock

    I see my local MP, Julian Sturdy has failed to stand up for the UK against the EU. Haven’t read his reasons why, I’m sure he’ll provided one. With a majority of 3688, I imagine UKIP will whittle that down

    • AnotherDaveB

      Rob Wilson MP, majority 7600, also absent. Noted.

    • Chris lancashire

      Yep, and let in Labour.

      • David Lindsay

        Every member of which has just voted against the Government, and which is committed to an In-Out referendum.

        If there was ever any need for UKIP, then there is none now. But it is really just a Tory pressure group. It pretends that it isn’t. But it is. And we have seen tonight, not exactly for the first time, how utterly unsuccessful a Tory pressure group UKIP is.

  • Douglas Carter

    Not a relevant list unless you include all those who voted for the amendment, including Labour and smaller party endorsements.

    • AnotherDaveB

      This is a list of “Tory rebels”.

      • Douglas Carter

        I appreciate that, but it’s too tribal.

        The members of other parties who have voted with the amendment have highlighted – in definitive terms – the intention to defy the status-quo with regard to the EU. The relevance of the respective stances of those MPs becomes pertinent in the future, when a future non-Tory government similarly and automatically aquiesces to limitless EU largesse.

        At that point, we need to know who the ‘forgetful’ MP’s are.

    • David Lindsay

      That’s not how it works. It is only ever about the Tories.

      The 66 Labour MPs who voted against Maastricht (not a single one voted in favour) when only 22 Conservatives did so?

      The 44 Labour MPs who voted against John Major’s increase in British contributions to the EU Budget (not a single one voted in favour) when the Conservative
      Whip was withdrawn from all of eight for mere abstention and a ninth resigned it in sympathy?

      And now, every single Labour MP has voted against the Government, providing most of the votes that have resulted in tonight’s defeat. But that is not even considered worthy of mention, still less of any sort of analysis, at least short of merely reproducing a CCHQ press release about “opportunism”.

      Never mind the smaller parties.

      It is always, and only ever, about the Tories.

      • Douglas Carter

        Lindsay, go away you ignorant, boring cunt.

        • David Lindsay

          Ah, the true voice of those who have just realised that neither their own party, nor the one against which they define themselves, is remotely what they imagine it to be.

          And in fact that they would find the latter a lot more in tune with their views than the former is.

          Don’t worry. You’ll adjust. Or go barking mad and not know any better. Either way, this discomfort, extreme though it is, will pass.

          • Douglas Carter

            As if the opinion of a pillock like you would bother me.

            • David Lindsay

              Very clearly, it does. An awful lot.

              • Douglas Carter

                Goodness me. Now you can read?

                That’s unusual?


                David Lindsay,

                Is Switzerland a dictatorship?

                Yes or no?

                BTW the answer is ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.

                ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.

                Difficult question, as usual…?…

                • David Lindsay

                  The insanity outcome it is, then.

  • Richard

    Where does this leave the previously slavish EUphile Miliband? That is what I want to know? Just where does this opportunistic twit stand on anything?

    • David Lindsay

      “Where does this leave the previously slavish EUphile Miliband?”

      Who’s that, then?

      Do you follow politics at all?

      • Richard

        Miliband was a Minister in the Government which reneged on a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum on the EU Constitution and signed the Lisbon Treaty behind our backs. I don’t recall Miliband being all eurosceptic then.

        • David Lindsay

          Question answered, then. No, you do not.

          • Richard

            Perhaps you would care to elaborate. For instance, what do you make of the following ?

            “Mr Miliband told French Socialist MPs during his visit that, while
            Labour advocated EU withdrawal in the 1980s, it now believes that
            Britain’s place is “in Europe and firmly in Europe”.”


            • David Lindsay

              That can mean anything that the reader who hearer wants, or doesn’t want.

              Which way has he just voted? Well, there you are, then.

              • Richard

                The way Miliband voted proves nothing beyond “rank opportunism”.
                You have to do better than that! How about some links to articles where Miliband’s supposed euroscepticism is expressed in forthright terms.

                • David Lindsay

                  “The way Miliband voted proves nothing”

                  Well, there really is no answer to that.

                  “Bring Back Maggie! Bring Back Maggie! Bring Back Maggie!”


      • dorothy wilson

        Well a few weeks ago he stated that if we had an in/out referendum he would campaign for a “in” vote.

        • dorothy wilson

          That should be an …..

        • David Lindsay

          Thereby saying that he wants to hold one. Whereas Cameron has specifically riled one out.

          And a lot can change between now and whenever this thing were held, by definition not before the 2015 Election, because there would have to be a Labour Government in order to hold it. Miliband is surrounded by figures like Ed Balls and Jon Cruddas, whose Euroscepticism is such that they would not be allowed to make the tea for David Cameron.

          Has it honestly not got through that Labour, with no rebels whatever (contrary to what was being desperately predicted by Cameron bag-carriers earlier today), has just provided most of the votes that have defeated the Government? Five times as many as the Conservative rebels, a few of whom were Ministers a long time ago, and the rest of whom cannot possibly ever have entertained any realistic hope of office.

          • Richard

            Again, that proves nothing beyond “rank opportunism”. Where is the beef?

            • David Lindsay

              Typical UKIP. Desperate to be a Tory again, to the point of being able to tell yourself anything in the hope of being let back in.

          • Boudicca_Icenii

            I have a letter from one of Miliband’s minions written last year in which he stated that he would not support a Referendum on the EU and he believes the UK should be in the EU ‘because it’s in our interests.’
            He has said nothing to change those statements.

            • David Lindsay

              Which “minion”? And even assuming the truth of your claim, the second one would be totally false and easily demonstrable as such. You must be thinking of David Cameron.

              • Boudicca_Icenii

                C Mulligan. July 2011.

                • David Lindsay

                  So, no one of whom anyone has ever heard, a long time ago in the dramatically changing circumstances of the collapse of the Eurozone abroad and of more or less everything at home.

                  Ed Balls as Shadow Chancellor. Jon Cruddas heading the Policy Review. And – now, see if it sinks in this time – every Labour MP voting against the Government tonight. Every single one.

  • 2trueblue

    A majority of 13! Not fantastic, but the usual suspects were there. Maybe this can be used by Cameron to strengthen his hand when he says…..”this is what my MPs have voted for…”
    Who knows what Cameron is thinking. That is our real problem, we have no idea what his view or intentions are re the EU. Add to that the LibDums and we are way out on what the electorate want.

    • David Lindsay

      Were there any Lib Dems rebels, does anyone know? There have always been a few, going all the way back to Nick Harvey’s vote against Maastricht and Simon Hughes’s abstention. For that matter, going all the way back to the vote against accession by one Liberal MP, several future members of the SDP, and several key influences on the latter’s ideology. Adrian Sanders, perhaps? Or Mike Hancock? Then again perhaps they see powers as more important than money, in which case they are a lot more sensible even more moral, than Thatcher ever was?

      Or perhaps Lib Dem sceptics are constrained by office? Rather a lot of Lib Dem Ministers are a great deal more critical of the EU than rather a lot of Conservative ones. Earlier this year, Vince Cable called for significant repatriation of power from the EU. His industrial policy proposed last month would be wholly incompatible with the Eurofederalist project. Many of the old SDP have come to be far more critical of the EU as the last decades of progressed. Like Cable, they have realised that the apostles and prophets of post-War Keynesian Labourism – Ernest Bevin, Herbert Morrison, Hugh Gaitskell, Douglas Jay, Anthony Crosland, Peter Shore, Bryan Gould – were not “right about everything apart from Europe”. They were also right about Europe, and their entire vision is incomprehensible apart from that insight.

      From the Right, defined in terms of economics, there is Ed Davey. Like David Heath, Norman Lamb, Alistair Carmichael and David Laws, Davey is of that rising generation of Lib Dems who are no fans of the EU, either. The Party President, Tim Farron, economically left-wing and socially quite conservative (an adult convert to
      Christianity), is of similar mind, while, among the veterans, the Deputy Leader,
      Simon Hughes, abstained over Maastricht and remains no less lukewarm, while Sir
      Nick Harvey went so far as to vote against Maastricht, and no one need imagine
      that, on this or on anything else, his knighthood has bought him off since his
      confinement to the backbenches.

      Hitherto, mild to strong Eurosceptics have kept quiet within the Liberal Democrats. They have probably assumed that they were a tiny minority. But I bet that they are not. In fact, I bet that they are not really a minority at all. Vicious campaigners though they very often are, Lib Dems believe profoundly in the election, sensibly or otherwise, of everyone who exercises any sort of power. In absolute openness and freedom of information, prudent or otherwise.

      They believe in the highest possible degree of decentralisation and localism, appropriate or otherwise. In the heritage of uncompromising opposition to political extremism everywhere from Moscow to Pretoria abroad, and from the Communist Party to the Monday Club at home, which must logically also mean from the coalitions in the Council of Ministers to floor of the European Parliament.

      In (unlike me) the tradition of anti-protectionism against everyone from nineteenth-century agricultural Tories to 1970s industrial trade unionists. In the rural Radicalism that has always stood against the pouring of lucre into the pockets of the landlords. And in the interests of the arc of Lib Dem fishing seats from Cornwall to the Highlands and Islands via North Norfolk, Berwick, and North East Fife.

      Nick Clegg is extremely pro-EU. But his days are numbered.

      • Boudicca_Icenii

        The West Country LibDems (the membership and voters, not necessarily the MPs) are generally EUsceptic. Not surprisingly, seeing as it is their fishermen and their farms that have borne the brunt of the CAP and the CFP.
        I am always amazed that they return a LibDem MP when the Party Elite ignore their opinions. I fully expect Clegg will be off to Brussels in 2014 – to replace the useless Baroness Ashton. Hopefully the UK will leave the EU shortly afterwards and he’ll find himself unemployed.

        • David Lindsay

          “I am always amazed that they return a LibDem MP when the Party Elite ignore their opinions”

          Yes, but you might just as easily say the same thing about the only other party of any significance in the West Country, and the only other part with any significant presence in at least English farming areas. Well, the only one until the Coalition, anyway. And, on this specific issue until tonight.

          • Wessex Man

            You really do seem to have far too much time on your hands David Lindsay, I think you need to get to bed and have a nice sleep.

      • Rhoda Klapp

        You predicted few rebels just yesterday. Why should we even bother to read what you say today? Or tomorrow.

    • ArtificialIntelligence

      I’m pretty sure that Cameron wants to return competencies back to the UK and then give the people an in-in referendum on those changes. Of course Labour could steal the issue by promising an in/out referendum, but their form isn’t good on sticking to referendum pledges; Brown signed Lisbon despite a manifesto promise for a referendum on it.

      • David Lindsay

        “I’m pretty sure that Cameron wants to return competencies back to the UK and then give the people an in-in referendum on those changes”


        “Of course Labour could steal the issue by promising an in/out referendum”

        Already has. But like so many things, it only counts to the media when the Tories do it.

        “but their form isn’t good on sticking to referendum pledges”

        They are the only party ever to have held one. Just as they are the only party ever to have fought a General Election on a commitment to withdrawal. And just as they kept Britain out of the euro, which we would have joined if the 1997 Election had kept Ken Clarke at the Treasury.

        You do realise, don’t you, that every single Labour MP has just voted against the Government? Five times as many as the total number of Conservative rebels, a list with some very telling omissions.

        • Boudicca_Icenii

          They also signed the Lisbon Treachery having broken a Manifesto promise to hold a Referendum.

          Here’s a few of Labour’s promises:

          “The electorate should be asked for their opinion when all our questions have been answered, when all the details are known, when the legislation has been finally tempered and scrutinised.” — Rt Hon. Tony Blair MP, speech to the House ofCommons, 20th April 2004

          “This constitutional treaty can only come into force once it has been ratified in accordance with the constitutional arrangements of each member state. In the UK, this will require primary legislation amending the European Communities Act 1972 and then endorsement in a referendum.” — Rt Hon. Jack Straw MP,
          Foreign Secretary, speech to the House of Commons, 26th January 2005

          “The Government have made it clear that the constitutional treaty will be ratified in the UK only after a referendum.” — Geoff Hoon MP, Europe Minister, speech to the House of Commons, 23rd May 2006

          “There is no question of any constitutional treaty going through without the express consent of the British people . . . Regardless of how other members vote, we will have a referendum on the subject.” — Rt Hon. Tony Blair MP, Prime Minister, speech to the House of Commons, 21st June 2004

          “The Government have consistently made it clear that the mechanism in the United Kingdom whereby the European draft constitutional treaty could be implemented is approval by the House of Commons followed by a referendum of the people of Britain. There is no question of implementing it by the back door.” Douglas Alexander, Europe Minister, speech to the House of Commons, 31st
          January 2006

          “We will put it to the British people in a referendum.” — Gordon Brown, General Election Manifesto, 2005
          And you think we should trust Labour!

          • David Lindsay

            We are going as far back as that, are we?

            Only one major party has just seen all of its MPs vote against the Government on Europe. Every single one. That party that was going to win the next General Election by 90 or more, anyway.

            • Boudicca_Icenii

              It seems appropriate to remind people about what Labour’s Prime Ministers, Foreign Secretaries and Europe Ministers said about the Lisbon Treachery ……. before they reneged on the Manifesto Commitment they all gave.

              • David Lindsay

                And Cameron held it when, exactly?

                The bottom has just fallen out of your, in any case entirely imaginary, world: while the Government was opposed by every single Labour MP without exception, the Conservative rebellion was derisory and was mostly made up of “impossible” people (and not even all of those – no Jacob Rees Mogg, for example).

                That is now the reality of the inter-party debate on the EU in this country. Which side are you on?

                • Boudicca_Icenii

                  UKIPs and the British peoples’.

                • David Lindsay

                  Two entirely different things.

                  UKIP is a failed Conservative Party pressure group.

                • Stuart Eels

                  Mmm thats why the last two opinion polls shows them pulling away from the Lib/dems then David.

  • Jules

    Good on them. At least SOME (NOT ENOUGH) Tory MP’s are listening to the people!!

    • telemachus

      By definition these are John Major bastards
      They will get their reward when the growth party takes over

      • Fergus Pickering

        Had a quick peek at the ”other place” the desert island. 2 racists that were banned here are over there. Seems like Pious Peter is running a racist site. I think the vicar has had a nervous breakdown, he’s dashed off to St Margaret’s Westminster to pray. I’m glad Nicholas is still alive, hanging onto dear life, but only just.

        • telemachus

          I miss Nico
          He created me

          • Fergus Pickering

            It’s a love hate relationship. You love him, he hate’s you, maybe you could ask the vicar pious Peter for some spiritual guidance on the matter.

          • Fergus Pickering

            The vicar was telling me the other day that his website gets 60,000 visitors every 30 days or is it 30 visitors every 60,000 days. I can’t remember which.

            • Coffeehousewall

              It’s 60,000 visitors a month and growing. We are publishing what more and more people want to read. I’m not a vicar, stop calling me one.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Why are you ashamed of being a vicar ? vicar.

            • telekuka

              Naturally, you have Alcheimers

          • Fergus Pickering

            ”He created me” Are you his son ?

            • telekuka

              it is his trollop of a dawter!

            • telekuka


          • telekuka

            frankenstein / miliband

          • telekuka

            like Frankenstein created a monster?

        • Malfleur

          Ah, Telemachus and Fergus Pickering – Tweedle Twit and Tweedle Dumb.

          • telemachus

            Like a badger and a bat
            You only come out at night

            • Fergus Pickering

              Went over to the vicars site, oh dear, it’s across between a BNP / Oswald Mosley reunion meeting and a insane asylum. Everyone is bonkers.

          • Fergus Pickering

            The atmosphere on the ”desert island ” must be suffocating with the goody two shoes vicar calling the shots and censoring everyone. No surprise then that you scuttle off back to here.

        • telekuka

          Glad you have joined telemachus and me

      • telekuka

        Yes, still awaiting the Marxists

      • telekuka

        Yes, darling, up the marxists!

    • EJ

      Every single one of them a HERO – as I’m absolutely sure Hardman, Forsyth and our patriotic editor would agree…