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Conservative conference: Iain Duncan Smith admits ‘We will have to take more money out of welfare’

7 October 2012

7:56 PM

7 October 2012

7:56 PM

The Tory party loves its former leaders and the queue for Conservative Home’s fringe event with Iain Duncan Smith went round the block. IDS began by explaining why he had chosen to stay in the Welfare job rather than move to Justice in the reshuffle. Though he stressed that there had been no Prime Ministerial demand that he did move but merely what he described as, a ‘genuinely good discussion’ about it.

IDS, who is known not to be a big fan of giving free TV licenses and the like to wealthy pensioners, said that any changes to pensioner benefits were ‘off the table’ because of David Cameron’s election pledge. He admitted that this meant that the ‘burden is greater on working age recipients.’

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In keeping with the Tory theme of the day, IDS offered his critique of Labour. He claimed that they would have to make the very spending cuts they are voting against. He was also dismissive of Ed Miliband’s one nation rhetoric, saying ‘can one speech change a party?’ But he did confess that he liked Miliband personally and had made a bit of money on betting on him winning the leadership.

Interestingly, Duncan Smith sounded more amenable to finding further savings in the welfare budgets than he has before. He emphasised that given that the country’s fiscal position is still troubled ‘we will have to take more money out of the welfare system’.


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  • philip sayers

    well done tory voters. the ‘undeserving poor’,the old,the blind,the paralysed,subsidising cuts for the rich. feel proud of yourselves!!!

    • toni

      Twas ever thus.

      • philip sayers

        thankyou,mr hardy.

      • toni

        @toni. Twas ever thus in reply to philip sayers:-
        +Flag as inappropriate
        “well done tory voters. the ‘undeserving poor’,the old,the blind,the paralysed,subsidising cuts for the rich. feel proud of yourselves!!!”

    • james102

      53% of households are reported today as being net
      beneficiaries of welfare.

      The choice is more equal slices from a smaller cake or unequal
      slices from a bigger cake.

      • philip sayers

        i’m willing to bet 99% of the country is recieving ‘benefits of some kind. eg govt backed subsidies,tax allowances,job perks (MPs). benefits come in all forms of disguise.

        • james102

          ‘Net’ is the key term.

      • dalai guevara

        James, what’s happnin’ is more unequal slices of a smaller cake (source: IHDI).

        • james102

          Yes the fabulously wealthy types like the Blairs will always
          float to the top. I believe a Blair princeling will soon be in parliament. What
          with Straw’s son, Mandelson’s grandfather,Callaghan’s daughter and various
          others who need a hereditary chamber?

          • dalai guevara

            It has become obvious to me that those in support of hereditary peers are in the minority. It is also obvious, that HoL reform is dead yet again.

            Now, what does that tell you about how ‘connected’ our leadership really is?

            • james102

              It’s the hereditary House of Commons we need to be aware of.
              It is bad enough having a political class without it turning into a political
              caste.

              • dalai guevara

                ah yes, the ‘George Bush disease’ – first sign of a nation in decline.

                • James102

                  I agree

  • Olaf

    For once I’d like to see a straight comparison between how much it costs to implement a universal benefit Vs a means tested one.

  • ToryOAP

    I am fed up with government acting as a middleman with my money. Most of what they steal from me is wasted. Europe and the USA are falling apart because government spends too much supporting those who are quite capable of supporting themselves. Give people a decent pension, help those who can’t help themselves and reduce taxes to create wealth and jobs. Support those of us Brits who contributed all their lives and who need help, and foreigners and Europeans can go look to their own governments. Most important, make people who can afford it pay for health and their bloody bus passes.

    • telemachus

      So for avoidance of doubt you are in favour of stealing benefits from those crippled in wheelchairs. I thought we had moved from Victorian to modern caring values.

      • ToryOAP

        So why don’t you tell us this Jimmy? Why did Brown write £80,000 cheques to millionaires every year for 13 years?

        • telemachus

          Gordon cared
          And he saved the world from bankruptcy

          • launcher

            I salute your indefatigability.

          • ToryOAP

            Wasn’t Saville a lefty as well Jimmy?

            • philip sayers

              are you sure. not a tory perv?

              • ToryOAP

                I am not but I put a few of your lot inside.

                • philip sayers

                  corrupt prison warder no doubt?

        • philip sayers

          cos there was no crisis then dimwit.

          • ToryOAP

            Welcome to our new troll. Or should I say, welcome to anolther telemucus alias? Judging by the inanity of your comments and the frequency of your splutterings, and the fact you and the little fiddler appear at the same time and obviously uptick each other’s comments, you are one and the same. I think you are also toni but keep it up bozo – by their words shall we know them.

            • philip sayers

              well spotted,but as usual totally wrong.. obviously an old school toff.

      • launcher

        Superb; loving your work.

      • james102

        There is massive fraud in the system. Draw up a contract
        that allows companies to keep a percentage of the money they discover is being fraudulently
        claimed and see how much Capita etc can get back. It would also act as a deterrent.

    • dalai guevara

      Plain wrong – both Spain’s and Britain’s debt-to-GDP ratio pre-2007 were below 60%. No ‘overspend’. Yes, there was waste, but it was not out of hand, otherwise the data would have been comparable to Greece’s.

      Then what happened was…

      • ToryOAP

        What’s up Jaime? The repetition of lies getting to you? You and that teletubbiefiddler chap are a pair of trolls.

        • dalai guevara

          Jaime? I don’t cook, people do that for me… care to explain what exactly you class as ‘lie’? Meat on bones, please

      • Charles

        “Overspend” is related to “deficit” not to debt.

        It’s possible to have low debt but for it to be increasing rapidly and for that to be an unsustainable position.

        • dalai guevara

          Aha, yes indeed – we are back to the small matter of our only real source of income for the last twenty years. House price inflation. When that finally stops bubbling, the show stops.

    • philip sayers

      so youve got money? well lucky you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Moore/100002860584188 Jim Moore

    I can’t wait to see the back of this non mandated government go! Sooner the better bring on the 2015 election and let the class war begin

    • james102

      It will make virtually no difference no matter what party is
      in power. The EU originates most of our laws and our parliament has to work
      within the restriction of EU laws and a judiciary that has become unaccountable
      and divorced from our culture.

      The same economic facts will face a new government and by
      that time inflation will be biting and the Eurozone in more trouble.

      We simply can’t afford the society we have created and it
      will get worse.

    • Charles

      What do you mean “non-mandated”?

      The British people voted for their local representatives.

      Those local representatives have the mandate to act as they see fit in furtherance of what they see as the best interests of their constituents.

      They may be wrong – and when there is a general election their constituents will get the chance to make their views known.

      In the meantime government has a mandate so long as a majority of MPs support it

  • HooksLaw

    Any money saved by taking away free TV licences will be minimal, but once established then more and more (not so rich) will be swept into the net over time by failing to index. Likewise bus passes.
    Bus passes in any event help the economy since they encourage people, even if they are not badly off, to get out and spend (and have a GDP increasing drink at the same time). So it is total bogus issue.

    • philip sayers

      this is your govt.you voted for this shower. deal with it.

    • dorothy wilson

      Bus passes are only issued on application to your local authority with proof of identity. Do you really think that the likes of Alan Sugar are going to send in an application when most of them have access to a fleet of cars?

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