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Harriet Harman: Labour mustn’t match Tory spending plans at the next election

27 September 2012

2:27 PM

27 September 2012

2:27 PM

The spotlight is shifting from the Liberal Democrats to Labour ahead of the party’s conference. But I suspect that at least one theme from Brighton will be carried on to Manchester: what to do about the coming spending review.

In The Spectator this week, Labour’s deputy leader Harriet Harman makes clear that she is adamantly opposed to Labour repeating Gordon Brown’s 1997 trick of promising to match, at least initially, Tory spending plans:

‘Our argument against the Tories is that the scale and pace of their deficit reduction is self-defeating and hurting the economy and therefore making less money available. So we have got a fundamental economic critique — we would not be signing up to doing the very thing we think is hurting the economy.’

In Labour circles, this declaration is being seen as a shot across Ed Balls’ bows. Those close to him have been briefing that matching Tory spending plans for the initial part of the parliament would be a way to neutralise the attack line that the party are spendaholics.

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  • David Lindsay
  • Dexterp2001

    Well, this is the first time I’ve delved into the comments section of a Spectator story, and it will be my last. What a bunch of prats.

  • Dexterp2001

    Well, this is the first time I’ve delved into the comments section of a Spectator story, and it will be my last. What a bunch of prats.

  • http://twitter.com/LoganDon don logan

    Watched her on Question Time last night, she is truly thick.

    • Sean

      Yes, I made a comment earlier. More than thick… dangerous and insulting. Her play to the cheap seats with the “think of the children” comment was offensive. Relating grooming and street stalking paedophiles to accusations against teachers was disingenuous.

      • Eddie

        Yes, and the point that was not mentioned is this: the gang
        who passed around and screwed those teenage white girls were all Asian – and it was their race (and minority religion) which meant the police, the authorities, teachers and other stormtroopers of politica correctness decided not to do anything. Therefore it was in fact the misguided muddled multiculturalism promoted by lefties like La Harriet that was to blame for these gangs raping children in the first place!
        J’accuse Harriet and her chums: it is their appeasement of Islam and pandering to anyone with a dark skin that leads directly to child abuse.
        Still going on too. African Churches labelling children as witches and putting them through torture in exorcism ceremonies (in London, every week); Asians forcing 13 year old girls into marriage with 50 year old cousins in Pakistan; teachers in schools pandering to ethnic minorities and religions by not stating that evolution is a fact in case it offends the religiosity of the ethnic kids’ parents; slavery in London as Africans send over children to slave for immigrants – and these slaves are locked inside council flats too,
        And the authorities do NOTHING! Too busy investigating people who use naughty race-based insult words on Twitter, probably.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Kommissar Harman knows her time is past and is merely creating mischief for those who’s hasn’t.
    Isn’t Kremlinology fun!?
    No doubt sometime soon the Spectator will take on some serious issues that aren’t being covered by the Indy or Guardian.

  • Eddie

    Yes, but the main question is: why, on Questiuon Time last night, was Happy Harriet wearing what appeared to be a necklace made from cyberman testicles… Or perhaps dalek balls? Who the feck is her fashion mentor? The ghost of Terry Nation?
    Is this sort of thing the fashion in Peckham these days? Surely, if she wanted to be working class and fit in with the locals, then she should wear those huge chavvy ring earrings (which always remind me of hoopla at the fair!) or a necklace with little guns and knives charms on?

  • Eddie

    Yes, but the main question is: why, on Questiuon Time last night, was Happy Harriet wearing what appeared to be a necklace made from cyberman testicles… Or perhaps dalek balls? Who the feck is her fashion mentor? The ghost of Terry Nation?
    Is this sort of thing the fashion in Peckham these days? Surely, if she wanted to be working class and fit in with the locals, then she should wear those huge chavvy ring earrings (which always remind me of hoopla at the fair!) or a necklace with little guns and knives charms on?

  • Sarah

    Oh look, the sight of a woman story in the Spectator has brought the sexists out of their trolley holes. Shuffling towards it like zombies making that moany noise they make.

    • Noa

      Oh yes all that’s been said of course and it may even be true.

      But do you have a view you would like to share on Harmon’s fiscal views or her position within the Labour party?

      • Eddie

        Nope, Sarah’s just a bitter and twisted dizzy little manhating bint. Just so you know to see all her comments in that context.
        Of course, she seems blind to the glorious irony here: she is constantly sexist against all men, making cartoon characters of them, and abusiing them and anyone who disagrees with her vile misandrist feminism (ie most women!) with as many nasty bitchy abusive knee-jerk zombie insults as her dull, mediocre, zombie-bint brain can manage.
        But we must have sympathy for the afflicted and lonely, I suppose. Bad experiences with men when young, rejection from boys, absent father, no friends – men or normal women – and you get someone like Sarah: one of Harriet’s handmaidens!

        • http://www.facebook.com/amergin.selby Amergin Selby

          Ignore the ‘gentleman’ Sarah. It is blatant cage rattling.

          • Eddie

            And what is Sarah’s hissing spitting ranting against the male species then? Do you agree with her misandry? If so, get a room, Preferably in Broadmoor, or perhaps a lesbian commune in Orkney…

            • http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/ Coffeehousewall

              I think that Sarah is yet another alter-ego of telemachus. It has been a while since he has used a female pseudonym. The feminist hissy fit style used in teh Sarah posts is too extreme to represent a real person. The question is whether telemachus represents a group paid for by the Labour party to continue to make trouble here, or by the Spectator itself. Since they seems to be able to post the most offensive material, and have done throughout their deliberate trashing of the old Coffee House Wall, it seems that as others have suggested, he is paid for by the Spectator to generate activity.

      • Eddie

        Nope, Sarah’s just a bitter and twisted dizzy little manhating bint. Just so you know to see all her comments in that context.
        Of course, she seems blind to the glorious irony here: she is constantly sexist against all men, making cartoon characters of them, and abusiing them and anyone who disagrees with her vile misandrist feminism (ie most women!) with as many nasty bitchy abusive knee-jerk zombie insults as her dull, mediocre, zombie-bint brain can manage.
        But we must have sympathy for the afflicted and lonely, I suppose. Bad experiences with men when young, rejection from boys, absent father, no friends – men or normal women – and you get someone like Sarah: one of Harriet’s handmaidens!

    • Norman Cameron

      Thank God that horrible Maggie isn’t appearing much, can you imagine how we’d all be slagging her off in our brain dead way? Are you really so stupid to think that the messenger is more important to the message to conservatives? We’re not statists who need to pigeon hole everyone and then base our opinions on which pigeon hole we decide to put them in.
      Black, white, male, female, hetero, homo, transexual, whatever – come acros to the light side and any true conservative will welcome you with open arms.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      I’m surprised you post here ‘Sarah’ seeing as your default Speccy avatar is a bloke……………doesn’t that offend you pet?

    • Sean

      Sarah, whilst I don’t agree with the insults. The requests to justify yourself are relevant. Your accusations of sexism seem hypercritical if you just insult and don’t substantiate.

  • Radford_NG

    27 Sept.c.3.30pmBST….Is this the same Harriet Harman who as Chief Legal Officer of the National Council for Civil Liberties(now Liberty) c.1978 was working to abolish the age-of-consent;and who some say had direct involvement with the leaders of PIE(the Paedophile [they called themselves that in those days] Information Exchange?). //……..//I wonder what Ms.S……C……….’s policies at Liberty are on that today?

  • jonah

    Groan. The world would be a better place if harpies such as Harriet and her yankee equivalent Hil, not to mention the Australian ranga, Gillard, just stayed at home baking cakes. They’re all contributing to the loss of liberty in their respective countries. Totally out of their depths.

    • Sarah

      Gosh how embarrassed your mother, wife and daughters must be of you.

      Obviously I’m joking about the wife and daughters existing bit.

      And about the mother caring about you bit.

      • Sean

        Sarah, before stooping to chastisment, how are your brothers, fathers and husband? Are you happy with them?

  • Keith

    Batty Hattie strikes again! Labour’s solution to everything is always more public spending. Even their solution to problems caused by excessive past public spending is more public spending. I’d like to think that they are stupid but the better view probably is that to be a socialist is to be in the grip of a kind of secular religion.

    • Eddie

      Yes indeed. And of course, Happy Harriet is also a multi-millioanire who, like most elite socialists, has made a massive 6 or 7 figure sum on her property in London – a rise partly due to the mass immigration that she has always so supported.
      Mush talk about house-building on Q Time last night – about ‘affordable’ housing for the plebs – all whilst Harriet and Ed et al live in £3 million houses in London – a city which most native Londoners have effectively been forced out of.
      How about reducing the population? That will make more housing available and cause house prices to drop to sensible levels? We do need more proprty taxes, we do need to stop the second-home owners causing so much pain to others: time to end the property scam; time to end the immigration scam too.
      And really, Harriet was skewered last night when reminded that she had called Danny Alexander a ‘ginger rodent’ and giggle like a schoolgirl in a way no man could to excuse his utter bigotry. If a man had called her a ‘wrinkly rodent’ then she’d be calling for his head!

  • AnotherDaveB

    Guido reports that the Harman dynasty is preparing for expansion.

    http://order-order.com/2012/09/27/the-red-princes-third-dromey-trying-to-get-on-the-gravy-train/

    • james102

      Yes the hereditary principle seems fine when it benefits the
      comrades. Blair’s son is said to be looking for a safe seat as well as Jack
      Straw’s.

      • Glurk

        Ah! James…heredity again! Seems Harriet Hormone and certain other persons have rattled you today!

      • Eddie

        Yep, and Peter Mandelson’s godson got parachuted into Peter Hain’s office and then was part of David Milliband’s team to try and win the leadership.
        These socialist hypocrites make nepotism and croneyism a fine art!
        HYPOCRITES!
        And millionaires too, mostly.
        The only one I have any respect for is Alan Johnson.

    • Dimoto

      You really don’t need to worry, there are only so many (safe Labour) MP slots available. With the Blair, Straw, Hattersley, Benn (the anti-hereditary) and Kinnock, dynasties most of the available slots are already spoken for.

  • Nicholas

    Does the Spectator really have to encourage this horrible woman by giving her oxygen for her barmy ideas? Why not run a story on the nepotism and dynastic elitism that is trying to her son parachuted into a Labour safe seat?

  • Nicholas

    Does the Spectator really have to encourage this horrible woman by giving her oxygen for her barmy ideas? Why not run a story on the nepotism and dynastic elitism that is trying to her son parachuted into a Labour safe seat?

    • HooksLaw

      And giving the socialist cow a flattering cartoon image.

      • Sarah

        I didn’t realise that men who noticed and judged the attractiveness of cartoons of MPs who are women who they call cows existed outside the pages of fairy tales.

        • Eddie

          Nah, she’s not a cow – just a wrinkled rat-faced rodent…
          Let’s have a look at insults thrown at male politicians by women, shall we? The constant attempt to demean men’s virility, mock their achievements, single out and target any ‘weakness’.
          As any teacher knows, girls are always the worst bullies. Nasty, bitchy, snide. Of course, you Sarah think all females are innocent and guiltless angels, and all men nasty hairy vampires and wolves… Your psychological issue, methinks… Enjoy it while you’re young, bitter and twisted, love. It seems it’s all you have and is certainly something of an obession of yours…

        • Sean

          Sarah, your focus on detail reveals your agenda. It was an insult…. and will focus on anything that aids that aim. Like most people who fight for “equality”, they are really fighting for self interest. Hattie is just a popularist politician. Is outraged at how a few hundred women are deprived as company boards aren’t 50% female but is part of a govenment who’s million s of employees are 70% women. 80% of teachers and nurses. Kind of seeing the splinter in other people’s eyes but not the plank in her own? Her comments on question time were disgusting. Trying to relate the sexual grooming of kids off the street with accusations against teachers! Disgusting! When lack of male role models (at least partially due to single parent households and female dominated schooling) has been linked to the underachievement of boys, in particular working class boys, and 30% of all male teachers have been falsely accused by pupils…
          Working class boys are societies underclass, with low reading ages etc. The misandrist attitudes of Hattie and Sarah will maintain that because their “ideology” is simply self serving.

          • Eddie

            I agree absolutely, particularly about the disgusting views of Happy Hattie on Question Time re false accusations against teachers. She said that we should always believe the child even if it meant the accuses (usually a man of course) got his life and reputation detroyed by a false accusation.
            No doubt her opinion is the same about false accusations of rape against men.
            See, when it’s men who are much more likely to be the accused and suffer, then she and other misandirst feminastis will always be on the side of the accuser; when it comes to those who accuse women however – perhaps mothers who are negilgent, or who kill or injure thier babies and children, or who make their kids obese and thick, or criminal women (who feminists want to stop going to prison!) – Hattie and her chums will always be on the side of the accused and not the accusers.
            Ergo the gender of the accused determines the opinion of feminist liike Hattie.
            Ergo, these vile little bints are utterly and profoundly sexist in their world view.
            And I’d simply live to see a world where there a 50% female quota for technical jobs – as in airline pilots, surgeons, nuclear power workers. Or how about 50% of shitty jobs being reserved for women? Exactly how many street cleaners are female anyway? And shit shovellers? All men, non?
            Far too many women working for the state: one reason councils are so inefficient, I’d say. The education system is institutionally misandrist these days too.

    • telemachus

      Nico
      You mean like Balfour, Macmillan and Churchill
      Harriet sadly is yesterdays woman and Ed Balls has the message we all wish to hear

      • Dimoto

        “The message we all wish to hear” (from the “charismatic one”).
        What, you mean sticking with Tory spending plans ?

      • Dimoto

        “The message we all wish to hear” (from the “charismatic one”).
        What, you mean sticking with Tory spending plans ?

    • Cortun

      Having her on the cover is an instant turn-off for traditional Spectator readers, even more so than the appointment of Andrew ‘Brillo Pad’ Neil as chief executive.

      • Noa

        One more reason why I have not renewed my subscription for an ever leftward leaning Speccie…

    • Dimoto

      As we know, Harman is not very bright.
      She actually believed that Balls was serious with his “Too fast, too deep” soundbite No 1.

    • http://cambriandissenters.blogspot.com/ Daniel Tekel Thomas

      Now that you mention nepotism and dynastic elitism, don’t forget Will Straw and Euan Blair are taking parachute lessons into safe labour seats.

      We the people deserve all we get for voting on a party basis.

      Primary elections and power of recall are the answer.

  • anyfool

    These Labour idiots do not even realise they wont be able to match current Tory spending plans.
    The Tories might not even be able to do so.
    The current situation of lending yourself money topped up with loans from the few sovereigns still prepared or capable will soon come to an end, that will be quicker than ever if it looks likely that Labour will win outright.
    Labour will then revert to stealing pension funds then shortly after default will be the only option.

  • anyfool

    These Labour idiots do not even realise they wont be able to match current Tory spending plans.
    The Tories might not even be able to do so.
    The current situation of lending yourself money topped up with loans from the few sovereigns still prepared or capable will soon come to an end, that will be quicker than ever if it looks likely that Labour will win outright.
    Labour will then revert to stealing pension funds then shortly after default will be the only option.

  • http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/ Coffeehousewall

    There is no deficit reduction programme. There are no spending cuts. Just a moving around of budgets so that we are unable to defend ourselves while paying for our enemies to build up their own armed forces.

    We are not as stupid as you think. Why have you not called Harriet Harman out for her lies? You have given a liar a platform. We are spending more than ever before. Did you ask her to respond to that fact?

  • http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/ Coffeehousewall

    There is no deficit reduction programme. There are no spending cuts. Just a moving around of budgets so that we are unable to defend ourselves while paying for our enemies to build up their own armed forces.

    We are not as stupid as you think. Why have you not called Harriet Harman out for her lies? You have given a liar a platform. We are spending more than ever before. Did you ask her to respond to that fact?

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