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George Galloway’s fifty shades of rape

21 August 2012

10:15 AM

21 August 2012

10:15 AM

The supporters of that exhibitionist monkey Julian Assange are becoming ever more bizarre. George Galloway MP, for example, has been sounding like a High Court judge in 1973: those women were not ‘raped’, he says of the accusations against Assange; calling that sort of thing rape diminishes the concept of rape — it was just “bad sexual etiquette”. So, there are — as Ken Clarke once pointed out before he was eviscerated by the liberal hate mob – different gradations of rape and some things which are called rape are not rape at all.

As it happens, I think Galloway has a point. But as far as George is concerned this application of common sense is to be made only when a hero of the nursery left is accused. Otherwise, rape is rape is rape etc. Meanwhile the ambassador who went a bit mental, Craig Murray, decided to go on Newsnight and actually NAME one of the women accusing Assange. What a radical act. He was of course slapped down by presenter Gavin Esler.

Meanwhile, to show that the left is able to think two contradictory things simultaneously, there’s a perfectly reasonable piece by Tanya Gold in The Guardian – complaining about rape jokes at the Edinburgh fringe.

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  • Swanky Flanks

    That picture of Galloway is scary. The man looks unhinged.

  • Baron

    whether this gnome of things political has a point or not matters not, on getting publicity for himself one cannot but admire the man, the unceasing ability to feed on the imbecility of the pseudo-liberal agenda twisting it as it pleases him impresses, we should have more politicians like him in the talking shop, we would of course be in the same shite we’re in now, but we would laugh more often.

  • paul

    If this is true and I have no idea if it is, it is disgraceful, in English law, rape is a trespass to the person, an unwanted violation accompanied by violence or menace.

    On just what i have read here, I would prefer to ask twevle women on a jury…is it rape?

  • real__world

    Murray slapped down for stating what the whole world and their dogs know about a Swedish woman whose name was outed by the Swedish plod when they leaked investigation documents. Tens of thousands knew about certain UK footballers who finagled a high court gag order BUT the whole world knows about these women especially when they appeared on TV to explain their situation. Gimme a break and report the truth for once !

  • WetherspoonThree

    A couple of points
    I think Craig Murray’s appearance on Newsnight demonstrated how difficult it is for the Foreign Office to get the right sort of staff to act as diplomats in some of these far off disagreeable places in central Asia far from the bright lights of London. I am also surprised that the editor of Newsnight didn’t brief the contestants prior to the show and ask them not to name names. Gavin Esler came to life and seemed to enjoy slapping the hapless fellow down which meant he didn’t have to risk alienating the other guest by actually debating the issues.
    All this controversy over sexual encounters proves the necessity nowadays always to have a witness present, or failing that some form of pre-prepared written contract, preferably illustrated, so there are no unpleasant misunderstandings if consent is later withdrawn or there are other unforeseen disappointments in performance by either party. ‘First dates’ can sometimes be rather awkward occasions as both parties struggle to make a favourable impression. Discussing the contract might help to lighten the encounter, that first candle lit dinner or visit to the theatre or better still, postpone the need for sexual activity almost indefinitely.

    • http://twitter.com/raymonddelauney raymond delauney

      “how difficult it is for the Foreign Office to get the right sort of staff to act as diplomats in some of these far off disagreeable places in central Asia”
      Agreed. Tony Blair is out in Kazakhstan filling his boots with the oil rich currency from his good friend President Nursultan Nazarbayev. He’s been in power for the past 21 years and Tony has been thoughful enough to bring Alastair Campbell and Jonathan Powell along to help trouser the lolly. Here have a link to the Telegraph. It might refresh your memory…
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9102135/Why-is-Tony-Blair-lending-credibility-to-Kazakhstans-dictator.html

  • statman

    Most normal balanced people know what rape is and know that what Asange did or didn’t isn’t .But more than that ,in cases such as this how do you pove who said what to whom.?That is why these feminist motivated pseudo rape cases are farcical and unfortunately militate against concentration of resources on the real and important cases,where there is innadequate enforcement and punishment.

  • KST

    “Meanwhile, to show that the left is able to think two contradictory things simultaneously, there’s a perfectly reasonable piece by Tanya Gold in The Guardian – complaining about rape jokes at the Edinburgh fringe.”

    Are you suggesting that “the left” are all part of a single, organised entity who should agree on every thing and that any two people with vaguely liberal political ideas share the exact same set of opinions? Pretty silly. I would imagine the views of Tanya Gold and George Galloway differ on quite a number of points so not sure why you are bundling them together.

    Similarly, I don’t see why you assume that everybody on “the left” supports that hideous, self aggrandising creep Assange or wants to see him walk free.

    Fully agree on the disgraceful treatment of Ken Clarke by some liberal goons, though it should be mentioned articles appeared in both the Independent and the Grauniad defending what he said.

    Also, by the letter of the law, penetrating someone who is asleep, whether you have just had sex, never met before or been married for 20 years, is rape. Don’t see why there is confusion there.

    • DeeJay

      I think you make a fair point.. Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Stalin….all socialists of some form or other.

  • Asmodeus

    Rape like race is now a taboo subject .Anyone trying to discuss it rationally will soon find a bunch of Feminazis smashing their windows and daubing their shop front (metaphorically speaking).

    • Eddie

      Agreed. Galloway is an egomaniac hypocritical Mullah-hugging puritanical Stalinist opportunist – a sort of cross between Rab C Nesbitt, Mary Whitehouse, David Ike and Saddam Hussein (Gawd ‘elp us) – but he has got a point.
      In the law, rape is not rape – we have some very odd sexual offences laws that classify rape as being any touch whatsoever on a female body – and not with a willy either – and if a woman than screams ‘NO!’ consensual heavy petting becomes rap. It is even more mental in Sweden when women who consent to sex then decide they didn’t want it two weeks later can cry RAPE and get the activist superstar they stalked extradicted for rape!
      Isn’t this what happened to La Julian? If so, then he may well be a self-righteous pratt, but he ain’t a rapist.
      Call me old-fashioned, but I define rape as penetrative penile intercourse of a woman (or man) by a man – though the law should perhaps be modernised to include women (and a new offence specifying fale accusations of rape should be created).

      • Asmodeus

        Apparently George is out in Indonesia on some freebie at the moment.I doubt if he will run into many feminists out there.Radical feminists for some reason tend to avoid the whole subject of women’s rights and Islam.Funny that.

      • Ron Todd

        Is he a rapist or not is something that should be decided by the Swedish legal system.

      • real__world

        I think I’ll cry rape when my wife wakes me up in the morning with a BJ !

  • James

    It is rape. I think George knows deep down it is rape. Rape is sex without consent. therefore if the woman didn’t want it to happen it is rape.

    However. You can agree that what Assange did was rape but also think there shouldn’t be a law against what Assange did and that he deserves to get a severe punishment, like jail. I suspect that that is George’s real position.

    To deny that what Assange allegedly did was rape must be very upsetting to people who have experienced it themselves.

    I wish people would realise that you can agree it was rape and realise how traumatic and damaging doing this could be to a woman but still not think there should be a law against it.

  • statman

    I find it a real problem as a paleoconservative to agree with the old commie joke,’big brother’ Galloway . Sweeden is an emasculated leftist country and the creepy lefty Assange goes there and two leftie groupies screw him and then when they find out he’s two timing them accuse him of rape.One apparently has some feminist website relating how to prosecute nasty men who are unfaithful to their girlfriends.Frankly although he’s obviously innocent and only a ridiculous feminised country like Sweeden would prosecute such a case,frankly he’s being hoisted by his own petard.
    Wiki leaks does have merit though and the more that illegal and disgusting war in Iraq which killed 5000 Americans injured 30000 and cost a trillion is exposed for the Israeli ,neocon fraud it really was the better.

    • Reader

      Didn’t take long for you to move from rape to wikileaks to Israel. Simply amazing. However, with regard to rape, it is not at all obvious that Assange is ‘obviously innocent’. In the matter of releasing classified material (you brought up Wikileaks), he is not innocent and I think his fear of being extradited to the US (once he’s out of the UK) is probably greater than facing a rape charge in Sweden.

  • Sarah

    “As it happens, I think Galloway has a point.”
    Of course you think he has a point, thinking he has a point is the kind of sociopathic illogic shared by the majority of this idiotic population. This will be music to your hissing troll fans and no doubt at least one of them will test your theory out before the week is out. So well done you.

    But don’t be coy. What point do you think he has? That once you sign the marriage or date contract, you’re there for the taking/impregnating/infecting? If you find yourself In at the HIV/abortion/rape clinic in the middle of a media hate storm then it’s all part of the sex game you (were) entered into?

  • Andy Gill

    I’m just enjoying seeing Galloway being dumped on from a great height by a large number of formidable ladies.

    He’s always thought of himself as God’s gift to women, so I’m guessing he’s in shock at the moment.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      George may enjoy being dumped on by formidable ladies.
      It’s probably legal – especially in Sweden

  • roger

    Sweden is definitely not like Newcastle then.
    A place to avoid(joking, actually my wife has lots of relatives there)

  • roger

    There are two parts to the ‘ dirty digger’ story, one part is about laws governing sexual relations and yet the other is more important.
    Why won’t Sweden state that it only wants to question and then possibly try him on sex charges and then after questioning, after trial or after prison he is free to leave Sweden and go where he can, no further extradition or rendition. That Sweden won’t give that binding assurance is really the story.
    Today an American is out of a job for using the stupid phrase ‘legitimate rape’ when he meant ”the forced rape that we called rape 40 years ago” , the whole non-consensual sex legal scene has been distorted by having only one old word for all forms of penetrative assault, not to mention ‘statutory rape’ which can be consentual.
    The whole sexual landscape has changed in the last fifty years, many people in their sixties can look back at ‘activities’ and think how things have changed, for better and for worse.
    Sex equality, it used to be illegal to consensually bugger your wife but when they legalised male couples doing it they had to change it for everybody, we live in different times, friend.

  • Julian

    I always enjoy Rod’s mysogynist features, but I’m getting a bit worried. Tanya’s article was bloody rubbish. Was Rod so desperate to find some balancing reference that he didn’t have time to read it?

  • Julian

    I always enjoy Rod’s mysogynist features, but I’m getting a bit worried. Tanya’s article was bloody rubbish. Was Rod so desperate to find some balancing reference that he didn’t have time to read it?

    • Julian

      mis, sorry

    • Julian

      mis, sorry

    • Julian

      Sorry “misogynist”. The article completely fails to notice that the Fringe has a middle-class lefty flavour which is not to the taste of a good proportion of the locals, who retaliate by staging comedy the sole point of which is to offend the liberals.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    The Mrs has just dropped the bombshell, after all these years, that she regularly pretends to be asleep while we are having sex.
    Eee women – Aajustcannitfigurethemoot.

  • DeadSeaNavigator

    I genuinely don’t understand why people are saying the left is
    ‘conflicted’ over Assange. It’s perfectly possible to believe that wikileaks
    was, on balance, a good thing, while still believing that Assange should face
    due legal process for the allegations against him and that, yes, rape is rape. Isn’t
    the right also conflicted – i.e. it despises Assange but basically believes
    that rape is a bit of a storm in a teacup?

  • john cronin

    Now that Gallowank has officially joined a religious cult whose founder was a nonce, I suppose it is only logical that he should start to doubt the existence of sex crimes.

    • Asmodeus

      I presume you are actually referring to a world religion with a billion followers spelt with a capital I?.

  • http://www.facebook.com/billcam Bill Cameron

    In the Facebook page for supporters of Assange, to which you link, the first sentence begins:
    “Julian Paul Assange is an Australian-born Ecuadorean editor, activist …”
    – I was aware this person has apparently been granted asylum by Ecuador, but was not aware this involved granting him Ecuadorian nationality – of course I don’t necessarily believe everything I read in Facebook, but perhaps it’s just an aspect of this bizarre case I have missed.

  • sam

    Clarke made a completely valid point, namely that anyone who thinks a 17 year old having entirely consensual sex with a 15 year old is morally equivalent to violent sexual assault is stupid. He made it a damn sight less forcefully than I would have done, too. Otherwise, agreed, &c.

    • Sarah

      What you’re saying is that giving consent is not equivalent to not giving consent.

      The question is whether a 15 year old is capable of giving consent.

      Ps. The violence aspect is a red herring. A lot of coercion isn’t violent, but is none the less dangerous for all that. If violence is involved in rape, then you are taking about two crimes: rape and violent assault.

    • TJenkins2

      That’s not rape under English law.

      If the man was 18 or older and knew or ought to have known that the girl was 15 then it would be a lesser offence of Sexual Activity with a Child — but still not rape.

      It is only when the girl is 12 or younger that sex becomes rape purely because of the age.

  • MollyKeane

    Yup, rape isn’t rape and abortion isn’t murder. Well said, Rod Liddle.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    George could have saved his breath and just said – ‘if a Republican doesn’t like you then it’s not rape’.

  • Terry

    George sounds and looks more and more like a mullah these days. I saw that clip of him on Newsnight and thought he was on the verge of issuing his own fatwa. There is something going wrong with this guy.

  • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

    And as for “the left thinking two different things simultaneously” maybe it’s because George Galloway is one person and Tanya Gold is a whole other person entirely?

    • Archimedes

      Ummm…I’m pretty sure that Gold and Galloway are the same person…duh…

      • MollyKeane

        An example of your Galloway humour?

    • Kyoto

      Though the left never have any problem in conflating everyone from the right as being of the same opinion.

      • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

        Again, SOME on “the left” do this. “The left” does not. Because they are a whole massive load of different people.

        • Kyoto

          No all the left does it. Just some take a bit longer than others in getting round to defining what there opponents think and say.

  • Squire Western

    Here is the New Statesman’s version of Galloway’s comments – Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.
    I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you’re already in the sex game with them.
    It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, “do you mind if I do it again?”. It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning.

    I never thought I’d find myself in agreement with George Galloway, but if this version of events is indeed what took place then I do not consider it to be rape either.

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Then you don’t know the law. It is definitely rape to penetrate someone while they are asleep and assume they are consenting again. Definitely, completely, 100%.

      • Squire Western

        Regardless of whether or not such actions constitute rape in current UK law, I agree with Galloway that they ought not to be so regarded and that to do so is to devalue the meaning of the word.

        • MollyKeane

          But what sort of animal would have sex with someone who was a sleep? Of course all sex outside of holy matrimony should be outlawed because it is wrong. And if you don’t believe that, just look at these people and where the immoral life leads.

          • Archimedes

            “But what sort of animal would have sex with someone who was a sleep?”

            An Australian, I think. They’re all criminals, anyway…

          • Wot?

            You’re obviously not married, Dear. A lot of women are happy to be woken that way. A lot of women wish they were.

            • Sarah

              The woman claims she specifically told him not to try to screw her in her sleep. She was clearly not happy to be woken that way. Least of all by a highly promiscuous psychopath not wearing a condom.

              • Archimedes

                If she considered it a big enough threat that it was worth mentioning to him that he shouldn’t do it, then why did she not go somewhere else to sleep?

                • Sarah

                  Perhaps because she assumed he wasn’t a dedicated rapist and that making it clear would be enough.

                  Obviously it’s her fault that it turned out he was though – that’s right isn’t it?

              • eddie

                who’s the psychopath now?

                • Sarah

                  Eddie, let’s just clarify that you are the clown who tried to start the rumour that Assange was accused of “touching a woman’s blouse or something like that”.

                  You have precisely no right to express an opinion on this case, rape or psychopaths. So shut the f*ck up you hissing autistic.

                • Eddie

                  I know some autistic persons who are very offended by your small-minded bigotry and insults, Sarah sweetie – but one of them has told me not to harsh on you, because you’re probably ‘on the blob’, and he says girlies get all tetchy and snide for 5 days a month. Austitics eh? Such clarity and insight…
                  It’s everyone’s right to express an opinion, love – it’s even the right of weirdo manhater feminists who use spurious and specious statistics and lies for their own political purposes (just like the Fawcett Society lie that only 6 % of rape trials end in prosecution – not true at all).
                  Sweden eh? Meatballs and Volvos. Hmmm…
                  A very odd country where the population has a record to deferring to anything the government wants to do – such as secretly sterilising children (of undesirables) until the late 1970s.
                  No wonder leftwing loonies love it: it’s sort of Ikea-Stalinism, eh?

                • real__world

                  Don’t forget rendition where they were fined over 300k by the ECHR !

                • Clare

                  Not only is it deeply unpleasant to use the word ‘autistic’ as a term of abuse, but it seems very strange coming from someone who spends so much time finicking over other people’s words. If you must sink to this level, at least put a bit of left-leaning gloss on it. How about ‘shut the f*ck up you hissing differently-abled person’?

                • Sarah

                  I’m not left leaning though. I prefer accurate insults. He’s not differently abled, he has no abilities unless you count talking crap consistently as an ability.

              • real__world

                So she said NO in her sleep did she !

              • G. Greer

                Do stop getting hysterical you pathetic whining pomms!
                It’s ONLY a penis!
                All these weak women worshipping it by making rape the worst thing that’s ever happened to them!
                I’m trying to save a rainforest back home, and the abuse I get is heaps more than what any dag from the patriarchy gives you over here.
                It’s ONLY a penis, girls. Move on.
                But not to Australia please because we’re bloody full already, what with all the Chinese and Kangas and Abos wanting to live in my rainforest!

                • Austin Barry

                  Dr Greer

                  Extraordinary post. Admit it, you were really a figment of Barry Humphries imagination since your appearances on kids’ TV back in the 70’s.

          • Malfleur

            Have you read “Charlotte Gray” by Sebastian Faulks?

          • Eddie

            ‘But what sort of animal would have sex with someone
            who was a sleep?’
            Maybe a dyslexic sheep, eh?

          • real__world

            You’d be surprised and its just as much woman as men !

        • Sarah

          Of course you do, you’re a man and defining what constitutes acceptable male behaviour towards women is what men do. What women think about you sticking your penis and sperm in them in their sleep is irrelevant.

          Women don’t have full agency after all, men know what’s best for them. Been doing it for ages. Millions of men do it. QED.

          Funny that women always seem to disagree though. But you can’t trust women to know their own minds. Thank God we have men with their superior (and by superior I mean biased, self-serving, emotionally retarded), lacking in empathy, rape myth believing, short-sighted, selfish, porn-fuelled) , rationality to help us know when we’ve really been raped and how we should feel about it. Phew!

      • MollyKeane

        But what if, though asleep, they actually are consenting? If a naked woman gets into bed witha a man and says to him “take me”, and he assumes by that she means have penetrative sex with her, and he does have such sex, and subsequently she says that’s not what she meant by ” take me”, rather she meant take me in your arms, does that make the man a rapist because he assumed she gave her consent to the penetrative sex?
        By the way, I think any woman who would get into bed with that man deserves whatever she gets. And if she got pregnant by him I’d almost think, in this one case, abortion might be legitimate.

      • dalai guevara

        You are right, ergo when sharing a bed with someone who is asleep next to you and beginning ‘procedures of petting’ would henceforth constitute molestation.

        I will make sure I make ’em sign a contract beforehand to avoid my own extradition.

        • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

          You don’t need a contract, it’s just that sex involves two people. How can the other person be participating if they’re asleep, let alone consenting? Having sex with someone asleep is horrible. And yes it is rape.

          • dalai guevara

            Still need that contract for people wishing to do this sort of thing… don’t get me wrong, I am baffled by where this whole debate is going and the issue in this instance (from what we hear) seems very ‘contrived’ to me to say the least.

            What would Mosley’s son say about contracts if he wanted blood to be drawn, or Prince Albert coming back into fashion? There are clearly some things that average folk like me and you fail to follow, but society needs to be clear on what is acceptable and what is not.

            Here I fear we are in danger of splitting hair.

            • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

              Interesting. I think some things are complicated. But if someone’s asleep – they’re not consenting. So you’re raping them. And if someone’s struggling and “upset” and you have to “force their legs apart”, which Assange’s lawyers say he did, then that’s rape. These things aren’t really complicated to be honest. If someone’s struggling against you and they’re in distress, then stop – I’m sure you and most decent people would do so. I would!

              • dalai guevara

                I absolutely agree full stop

              • Eddie

                I think you need to live in the real worl – a world where, thanks for girl power feminism, lots of girls regularly get so drunk that they don’t remember any of the scores of men that shag them every weeken d – and then have 4 different babies by 4 different fathers (most of them ethnic) which my taxes then have to support.
                True feminists do not believe in infantilising women – and they don’t want different standards applied to males and females either.
                If a man gets drunk and gets assaulted, we tend to blame him; if a man gets pissed and then gets abused by women, it’s treated as a joke; yet poor wickle women according to professional feminists are ever the victim eh? FAct is, if you get yourself in such situations, you cannot be surprised if things happen – ditto to males and females.
                Pity party feminists really are a bore -forever making excuses for women and assuming they are always innocent.
                No other European country (except maybe Denmark and Norway) would take the allegations against Assange seriously.
                But then, these are precisley the countries (with Sweden) that legalised all child and animal porn in the 1970s, so they are a bit morally confused up there, methinks: probably all that vodka and darkness…
                Maybe that was Assange’s problem on the morning in question? Maybe he woke up starving hungry and was looking for some roll-top herrings but was too wasted and sleepy and got all confused…

            • Malfleur

              Splitting hair could be considered molestation.

          • real__world

            There’s many a man who thought he was having necrophilia with his wife even though her eyes were open !

        • Sarah

          So what you’re saying is that you have sexually assaulted or raped women in the past and you got away with it.

          • dalai guevara

            Jesus Christ! What I stated was that ‘feeling up’ your partner whilst asleep (he/she cannot consent) constitutes molestation. Yes or no.

            Btw, what makes you think I am not a lesbian? Summat wrong with that, luvvie?

        • real__world

          Most married men & women have at some time tried waking their partners for a bit of rumpy pumpy in the morning and for those women here who claim it to be rape, they must be cold as ice and as frigid as the south pole.

      • KEVIN CAMDEN-SMITH

        If this is indeed the case then how in marriage do you get children?

      • Wot?

        She should have put her knickers on then.

        • Sarah

          Are knickers rape proof?
          He is the one who needed to put some underwear on, he’s the one who did it. See how that works?

      • real__world

        Then I’ll claim rape when a woman wakes me up in the morning for seconds. Idiot !

      • Eddie

        Louise McCudden – by your logic, most married persons (female and male) could now be arrested for rape.
        Grow up, love.
        Most accusations of rape are just about drunken misunderstandings anyway. And all about perceptions – and what feminists want is ALL power to be with women and NONE to be with men.
        Plenty of men have sex with girls they don’t really want to screw. Rape? Yep, according to the femibots.
        And Assange and the B who accused him of rape (in Sweden where touching a girl’s knee is low-degree rape) went to a ‘crayfish’ party together AFTER he is supposed to have terribly traumatised and rapes her.
        What UTTER piffle.

    • E

      Remember that there is also the question of contraception. I am not entirely sure which of the sexual acts was unprotected – both or only the second – but from what I have gathered, the woman (indeed, both of them) have asked for STD testing, making it fair to assume that at least one was performed without (or with flawed) contraception.

      If, for example, the second act was unprotected as opposed to the first, surely that should change Galloway’s definition of ‘not rape’?

      • rosie

        No-one has mentioned what is mentioned in the charges: besides the penetration without permission, he didn’t use a condom. That isn’t just a matter of not using contraception. He could have infected them with goodness only knows what, if he were in the habit of engaging in this lack of sexual etiquette all over the world.
        Modern Swedish law takes account of Swedish manners, morals, and medicine, so it is no good saying they had it coming to them and that he is entitled to ignore the law while in the country.

        • Wot?

          Somehow I think it’s more Julian who is at risk of catching something from the tarts…

          • Sarah

            Oh you’re guy who calls rape victims, tarts.

            • Eddie

              Ah so no trial is needed – because you Sarah are assuming Assange is a rapist and his accusers are not lying publicity-craving parasitic bints (who you assume are victims; though they could equally be liars and criminals).
              Well, maybe the reaso why he’s not keen to go to Sweden is that it will be full of asses like you who assume he is guilty.
              No chance of a fair trial in Sweden: he should not be sent there unless Sweden assures him (with international supervision) that he won’t be sent to the USA.
              In fact, better if the trial could be at The Hague too – it’ll only cost a few million more than the trillions it’s already costing.

        • E

          Of course, the lack of contraception can have several unwanted and outcomes and this seems to be a bit of a neglected fact here. If the woman consented to one-time protected sex, that is all she consented to. If woken up in her sleep from Assange penetrating her – without a condom, and this against her will – the conduct could indeed constitute rape (I would argue this irrespective of contraception used or not, but to those who would disagree I would suggest taking the issue of contraception into consideration, as I can imagine the woman wished neither to get knocked up or infected in her sleep).

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Dai of Edinburgh

      Thanks in no small part to postmodernist ‘there are no absolutes’ thinking the definition of rape has become blurred. Galloway’s contribution is a crude example of this blurred thinking.

    • Eddie

      That is what I understand too – and that is not rape in English law because how on earth can one know if the alleged ‘rapist’ thought the woman was asleep rather than sleepy? Can’t be proven.
      But really, one is of the opinion that the women in these cases went to bed with the Aussie Albino just to set him up and get famous and rich themselves…
      Oh, and one wonders what the hissing mentalist feminasties would say if a MAN woke up and found a woman he’d had sex with the night before on top of him and RAPING him?
      Something tells me the two-faced fannies of feminism never want to see the man as a victim – but sex crime is NOT the same as burglary, it is all about perception and there is often alcohol involved.
      Pardon the pun, but this case would never stand up in a British court – it’s only in femi-paradise Sweden that such an accusation woul not be immiately thrown out. How many mothers and sisters out there would be happy if their son or brother faced years in prison for such a non-crime? We really do have to stop infantising women – they have to be big girls and grow up, and take responsibility for their own sexual incontinence.
      In the real world, people have sex with those they don’t really want to have sex with all the time; some people would even call that marriage, y’know…

    • Eddie

      Agreed, The word ‘rape’ is being devalued in the same way the words ‘abuse’, ‘racism’, and many more fave victim-culture identity politics pity-party words have.
      I blame the Americans (some US universities insist on written contracts between sex-sharing students now…):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f–u_puzhGs

    • Eddie

      Yes, but more than that: Assange and the woman who later accused him of ‘rape’ went to another party with him (‘a crayfish party’ apparently – well, it’s Sweden eh?) days after the so-called ‘rape’.
      In the UK such an accusation would not be taken seriously and the DPP would not pursue the case.
      Good article by John Pilger in this week’s New Statesman about how the Swedish government and foreign minister are closely linked to the US and would do anything to please the USA – so Assange may well be right to be worried.
      Time for Sweden to back down.

  • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

    Surely Ken Clarke was actually shouted at by the Sun and the Mail, while the Guardian, including feminist activist Suzanne Moore, for example, ran heaps of editorials and comment pieces defending him?

  • MikeF

    At some point Assange will have to come out of the Ecuadorean Embassy and get on a plane back to Sweden. The sooner he does that the better for everybody – including him. As for jokes about rape at the Edinburgh Fringe – what do you expect? Contrary to the mythology of the left that only ‘right-wing; comedians – Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning – tell tasteless jokes the opposite is usually the case except, of course, that when a ‘left-wing’ comic utters something of the sort it is, in BBC parlance, ‘edgy’. In any case Manning had a streak of self-satire about him – something the left’s mix of self-importance and self-estimation makes it impossible for them to practice for themselves or understand in anyone else.

    • Daniel Maris

      Why? He could be smuggled out. It’s not going to be that difficult.

    • roger

      Do you remember Cardinal Mindzenzy who lived in the US embassy in Budapest for 15 years as he couldn’t get to the USA who had given him asylum without being caught by the KGB?
      Let him stay until the Swedes give the ‘no rendition’ assurance.

    • Swanky Flanks

      Right, Mike: the Left is ‘edgy’ (which is supposed to improve us if not entertain us); the Right is there to be misconstrued wilfully at every turn by the Left. We don’t tell jokes, us conservatives, and it stands to reason: anyone that actually admires the Enlightenment of course must be a fascist at heart.

      Invasive socialism is a twisted ideology taken up by otherwise decent people. Shame.

    • Eddie

      Maybe the Swedes could do him for driving a volvo without permission…

      • Sarah

        Q. Yes because driving a Volvo without permission is like forcing your penis into somebody’s vulva isn’t it Eddie.
        A. No, no it isn’t.

        See I can make rape jokes too. Fun isn’t it.

  • Archimedes

    Galloway might be right, but Assange was in Sweden at the time of his prancing, so what matters, really, is Swedish law, and not Galloway Law.

  • Archimedes

    Galloway might be right, but Assange was in Sweden at the time of his prancing, so what matters, really, is Swedish law, and not Galloway Law.

    • arnoldo87

      Exactly the point – and all Assange has to do is to go to Sweden and demonstrate that he was not breaking their laws.
      Then, when he returns, we can deport him back to Australia

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